Is the Estoc a dex weapon?

[PathologicalFrolic]

it says it requires 12 str and 12 dex but does that make it a quality weapon or a good dex weapon?

[_Shakyor_]

http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Estoc

STR Weapon

[PathologicalFrolic]

Originally posted by _Shakyor_:

http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Estoc

STR Weapon

or so its 10 str instead of 12 str. i guess that makes more sense.

[SapphireSouls]

You want to look at the scaling of the weapon, not the stat requirement. Scaling is the letter below the requirement. Scaling can typically be increased as the weapon is upgraded.

Scaling adds damage to the weapon based on how high the relevant stat is, whilst the letter grading of the scaling determines how much it scales by.

In the case of the estoc, at max upgrade, it has a B scaling for Strength and a D for Dexterity, this means it gains more damage from having more Strength.

A quality weapon normally has the same scaling for both, or very close like A/B B/C.

[myoptic]

Originally posted by Sapphire:

You want to look at the scaling of the weapon, not the stat requirement. Scaling is the letter below the requirement. Scaling can typically be increased as the weapon is upgraded.

Scaling adds damage to the weapon based on how high the relevant stat is, whilst the letter grading of the scaling determines how much it scales by.

In the case of the estoc, at max upgrade, it has a B scaling for Strength and a D for Dexterity, this means it gains more damage from having more Strength.

A quality weapon normally has the same scaling for both, or very close like A/B B/C.

dex scaling is one or two letter grades weaker, so equal scaling would be like a c/a or a b/s

[SapphireSouls]

Originally posted by rawrk:

dex scaling is one or two letter grades weaker, so equal scaling would be like a c/a or a b/s

Not with certain maxed weapons. For instance, Caestus are A/A at +10

[myoptic]

Originally posted by Sapphire:

Originally posted by rawrk:

dex scaling is one or two letter grades weaker, so equal scaling would be like a c/a or a b/s

Not with certain maxed weapons. For instance, Caestus are A/A at +10

The ceastus gets double the str scaling as it does dex, but has equal letter grades. Thats just how From set up the scale.

Dex scaling is much weaker for the same letter grade. That's all I'm trying to say. Check wikidots page on scaling if you want the details.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Sapphire:

Originally posted by rawrk:

dex scaling is one or two letter grades weaker, so equal scaling would be like a c/a or a b/s

Not with certain maxed weapons. For instance, Caestus are A/A at +10

That's not what rawrk meant. DEX scaling gives less damage bonus, than STR.

An A/A weapon would receive 80% of your character's STR-bonus and 45% of your DEX-bonus.

[SapphireSouls]

Originally posted by Jellypuff:

That's not what rawrk meant. DEX scaling gives less damage bonus, than STR.

An A/A weapon would receive 80% of your character's STR-bonus and 60% of your DEX-bonus.

Originally posted by rawrk:

The ceastus gets double the str scaling as it does dex, but has equal letter grades. Thats just how From set up the scale.

Dex scaling is much weaker for the same letter grade. That's all I'm trying to say. Check wikidots page on scaling if you want the details.

I'm well aware of this, but you worded it in a manner that implied Dex always has a lower letter scaling, when this isn't always the case.

[TrueArchery]

This thread reminds me of good ol' Dark Souls 1 "Is the Murakumo a Dex or a Quality weapon"-threads It's Dex, it doesn't scale well at all and just because you need a ton of Strength to use it, it ain't a Quality-weapon

[myoptic]

Originally posted by Sapphire:

Originally posted by Jellypuff:

That's not what rawrk meant. DEX scaling gives less damage bonus, than STR.

An A/A weapon would receive 80% of your character's STR-bonus and 60% of your DEX-bonus.

Originally posted by rawrk:

The ceastus gets double the str scaling as it does dex, but has equal letter grades. Thats just how From set up the scale.

Dex scaling is much weaker for the same letter grade. That's all I'm trying to say. Check wikidots page on scaling if you want the details.

I'm well aware of this, but you worded it in a manner that implied Dex always has a lower letter scaling, when this isn't always the case.

I see what you mean.

I was also confused by what you said, but I think we're clear now.

[PathologicalFrolic]

Ill just stick too my good ol poison rapier. learned alot about scaling and stuff though.