Training strength question

[VoidEngineer]

Does it train strength faster if you walk around heavier? Does "strained!" train it faster than "burdened"?

[Shinae]

Adom has always been a huge secret. Most things in wiki and guide book have been discovered by players over course of years. I don't think exact formulas how most things are calculated have ever been released by author (except those found in game manual). People been scumming answers for years with things like unlimited wands of wishing and save scumming.

[Kelibath]

ADOM is built on secrets and I don't want to spoil people too much, but if the OP really wants to know this one thing in particular, here's a spoiler tag:

If I recall correctly, Burdened trains Strength to 16 (depending on your potential maximum), Strained to 18 and Strained! to 20. Overburdened! trains Strength - potentially higher - but severely abuses Dexterity. So, your original assertion was quite correct! With the new changes this may have been altered but it's a good rule of thumb to keep in mind.

[VoidEngineer]

Yeah, I already knew what the wiki said before I made my post. My question was whether higher levels of encumberance trained strength faster than lower levels.

[Shinae]

Not sure about higher level encumberance. Sometimes running strained takes time to raise str, sometimes just burden raises it fast. I think there is still lots of randomness involved if you actually get the stat raise or not.

I guess if you wanted to test it, it shouldn't be too hard to save scum an answer. Dublicate saves with lots of food (preferably stomafillia herb) Run around burdened and/or strained in map like old barbarian clearing and see how long it takes. Compare the results and run the test multiple times. Afterwards update the wiki. =)

[VoidEngineer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Shinae:

Not sure about higher level encumberance. Sometimes running strained takes time to raise str, sometimes just burden raises it fast. I think there is still lots of randomness involved if you actually get the stat raise or not.

I guess if you wanted to test it, it shouldn't be too hard to save scum an answer. Dublicate saves with lots of food (preferably stomafillia herb) Run around burdened and/or strained in map like old barbarian clearing and see how long it takes. Compare the results and run the test multiple times. Afterwards update the wiki. =)

Yes, that would work. Unfortunately it requires me to not be too lazy to do it. :P

[Unholy]

As far as I know, Burden trains up to 16, Strained up to 17, Strained! up to 18, and overburdened (which I never use because it abuses dex) up to 20. BUT none of those will, AFAIK, upgrade your potential. So if you have a max protential of 12, all of this is useless, and you should look for potion of STR potential before training STR that way. Herbs won't train past potentional anynore also. As for Garth, I'm not sure, but even tho the wiki says so, I don't think he trains potential either

[Ray Robertson]

Some corpses raise potential strength.

[Shinae]

Yeah potentials got nerfed big time. I guess I'm glad they did. Always felt like cheating to keep raising stats almost forever.

It's getting harder to play low tougness race/class combos now tho. Unless you find some potions to raise potential or stat itself.

Garth won't train potentials either. I paid like 50k gold to him to raise my toughness, but never got the increase.

[Kelibath]

I actually miss potential raising because in the case of a character with unusually low potentials in some important area I like the challenge of surviving to rectify it anyway. In those cases I tended to wait until I got to Garth and found a few corpses. Shame that isn't as simple now. Potions work, but they're heavily dependent on generation.

[Unholy]

Yeah for Garth I ve misspoken I meant that AFAIK he doesn't train past potential

[Shinae]

I was running dark elf paladin near end game and had to spend wish for potions of toughness, because low hp and toughness score. I tend to find lots of potions to raise potentials, but rng sometimes just gives me charisma and dexterity ones. Some games I never find gain attribute potions either. Potions aren't really that uncommon, but getting enough for the stat you are missing can be tricky.

[surmonis]

Yes it does. Also strained status does. Overburden aswell.
Unfortunately if You are Overburden it also abuses dexterity.

[Palandus]

Question: How does Lordly Might / Strength of Atlas effect these calculations? If you are carrying enough stuff to be overburdened but aren't because the spell is active, does it still train at overburdened and abuse dexterity?

[VoidEngineer]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bone:

Question: How does Lordly Might / Strength of Atlas effect these calculations? If you are carrying enough stuff to be overburdened but aren't because the spell is active, does it still train at overburdened and abuse dexterity?

Really good question and one I've wondered about myself. I never find the spell early enough to test it, sadly.

[Haplo]

I'm quite sure it will only train/abuse if the UI says overburdened, otherwise wizards everywhere would be running around with 1 dx the whole game.