I think I found a way to enter Sovyonok... for real!

[utente335]

I wonder why are there no comments about lucid dreaming when talking about this visual novel. I just recently discovered the world of lucid dreaming, and I immediately thought of Everlasting Summer, because there are so many references in it. A lucid dream is a dream where you realize you are dreaming, and therefore everything in the dream becomes absolutely real, and you can do practically anything. Actually, more than anything, such as flying, visiting planets, meeting fantasy characters or dead people. Just stop reading this for a moment and have a look around you, in your room or wherever you are: what do you see and feel? A lucid dream feels exactly the same, with all the vivid details. It's something that really exists, and it's scientifically proven, anyone can do it, according to what they say. And it feels amazingly real, Oculus Rift or similar VR technologies are total old-century junk if compared to lucid dreaming. Here are some references I noticed in Everlasting Summer:

-Having the same dream again and again, with some variations
-Everything seems so real and unreal ("the brushes in the russian paintings...")
-Meeting a fantasy character and interacting with him as it was real (Electronik)
-Looking at the mirror and seeing yourself distorted (in this case, younger)
-Having dreams that last a week, or even years (see Lena's good ending)
-The way Semyon feels at the end of Yulya's ending, when lying in nothingness
-The bully pioneer in Zhenya's route, my favourite example of this, how he can manipulate the whole environment and characters ("they are just puppets..."), without being able to leave that place

I really recommend anyone to have interest in this amazing art of the mind, there is a lot of stuff on the internet about it. I had only one lucid dream till now, and my first sleep paralysis (that was pretty cool, even thought terrifying). My first dream is a bit embarassing, I found myself on the street in a quiet american district on a sunday afternoon (I don't live in America in reality), and once I realized I had the power to do anything, I started running around taking all my clothes off shouting with joy (for some reason I was wearing many layers of clothing), then maybe I woke up. Now I'm trying to achieve that state again, because you can also "incubate" dreams, that is, setting the scene and plot you want.

Has anyone here ever experienced a lucid dream, or can you do it regularly? Has anyone tried to enter Sovyonok in a lucid dream (or just thought about it), interacting with the characters? Currently I have one specific goal for the next lucid dream I'll (hopefully) have, but once it's done, I'll definately try to enter Sovyonok too! And the cool thing is that you don't have to fall asleep in the 410 bus

[Dimension Tripper!]

I've seen a thread about lucid dreaming here (or somewhere else, I don't really remember it), but it was in Russian

[匚ㄩ尺丂仨D]

Yes, If you want to know a some new information about manipulating of your dreams, watch film "Inception" 2010.

[utente335]

I watched that movie, yes, and it's cool, even though I don't think you can learn how to do it by watching the movie. It has some incorrect fantasy facts about dreams, for example, you cannot die or get stuck forever in a dream, or damage your mind due to too much dream activity.

[匚ㄩ尺丂仨D]

But, it's know, that you can manipulates with people's mind. Sorry if I writed something wrong, I don't use translator, just writing as I a bit know english. So, just need to find some information about mind's manipulating and try to do something.

[utente335]

I don't know if mind control is scientifically proven as it's lucid dreaming, and I think it would be a lot more difficult to achieve. For now I'd be more than happy if I could have a few lucid dreams per month, mind control is not in my plans right now. I don't have a very good memory, so the mnemonic techniques will not work well for me, I suppose. Everyone has a different way to achieve lucid dreams, the difficult part is finding that way.

But what is the first thing you would do if you managed somehow to enter a lucid dream in the bus at Sovyonok camp? I think I'd visit the infirmary :D

[76561198059257390]

Enter that sovyonok - with painted anime characters..? Frankly, the characters in game visually look better than some pseudo-real looking humans...
Either I have lost memory to my dreams, or I don't have them. Though maybe..? But it is not clear whether these were just thoughts from a bit different part of the mind or really dreams.

[utente335]

It may be hard to believe, but yes, in a lucid dream you can also meet and talk to anime characters. It's because your mind generates the environment and situation, but the senses work exactly as in the real world. And I believe that if you are emotionally connected to a character, then your mind will generate a more vivid representation of it in the dream, even if it doesn't have a physical form. A typical sign that your lucid dream is fading and you are going to wake up soon, is that everything around you is becoming cartoon-like.
I also had a few dreams per week or month before I found lucid dreaming, but then I started to remember at least one dream everyday (from the first day I started experimenting, very surprising), just because I had motivation.

[Shiro♌]

This is very interesting, but you have to remember any dream. But if you somehow can not remember it, you have no chance to do so, right?

[utente335]

Yes, it's required, because how would you know that you had a lucid dream if you don't remember what it was about, when you wake up? But as I've written in my previous comment, it shouldn't be a problem, I also did not remember my dreams (there was a stressful period when I did not remember any dream at all for a month or more), but once I started to want it, the amount increased significantly. It's also important for you to write those dreams on a diary (I use my phone) as soon as you wake up, because you'll forget them during the day. To anyone who's interested, I recommend reading the "Bible" of lucid dreaming: "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" by LaBerge, it's a bit academic but interesting.

About the cartoonish-dreaming, I remember that once I had a dream (even though it was non-lucid) where I was Kenshiro (the anime warrior) walking on the street near some thugs, that means that being or meeting anime characters in a dream is totally possible. I'm not able to describe you now how my "anime" appearance was in detail, I just know I was him, that's how it works in dreams, the brain generates its own representation of things, which is not always based upon the 5 senses. And this is also why you can do anything you can imagine, when lucid.

[CZBGR Icepick]

Hmm...where have I seen this before??...

[sroger]

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

Hmm...where have I seen this before??...

Lol, I think thats called deja vu!

[CZBGR Icepick]

Originally posted by sroger:

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

Hmm...where have I seen this before??...

Lol, I think thats called deja vu!

Is it?

Is it?

[Druglord]

I had a few lucid dream, it rare to happen but it can happen. I tend to remember my dream quite well, I also get sleep paralysis every now and then, first time that happen it scared the ♥♥♥♥ out of me.
When the sleep paralysis first came about, I did some research into it as the stuff I was seeing in my room, I couldn't tell if it was real or something else, and that eventually led me to lucid dream. I get lucid dream every now and then, rare though.
The biggest problem I have with lucid dream is that once I realise it a dream, my body start to force itself to wake up. My lucid dream last way to short and it become a battle of my mind trying to stay there and my body forcing itself awake.

Best way I find yourself into a lucid dream is to get into the habit of doing a reality check. Ask youself if you are dreaming a few time in reality and make a few test, this can vary from person to person. Eventually you get into the habit of asking yourself if you are dreaming in a dream and making a reality check. For me the best test is to see if I can make something appear in my hand that wasn't there before, or if I can feel pain or sensation on my hand.

So i can lucid dream on occasion, the problem I have is mainting it, the best I was able to keep the dream going when I realise that I was.dreaming was about a couple of minutes.

[utente335]

I do reality checks quite often, like trying to levitate, re-reading something to check if it has changed, put a finger in the palm, trying to breathe with my nose closed. I don't know if the "pain on hand" would work for me, because the first one I did in dreams was the "finger in palm" check, and I actually felt pain when I did it in the dream and saw my finger pierce my other hand. You're lucky to have some lucid dreams, I'm still trying to have a second one. I tried some techniques but they didn't work, the next one I'm going to try is hypnagogic imagery with WILD.
About your problem of waking up, when you are in the dream and you feel like you are going to wake up, you should try some techniques I've read about:
-Look at your (dream) hands
-Look at the (dream) ground and all its details
-Stretch out your (dream) arms and spin like a top, thinking that you'll be dreaming, until you find yourself in a new dream environment, then do a reality check (they say this technique is highly effective)
I would go for the spinning technique, you should give it a try.

[76561198059257390]

Haha, seriously, do you guys really hate your dreams more than your real life?
I kinda envy those dreamers - why does this life even has to exist in the first place...