Total War: ATTILA

Total War: ATTILA

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Daddy ♥♥♥ Cannon 2014년 11월 24일 오후 2시 22분
At least he's not white...
Seriously, Atilla was East Asian not white.
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Soully 2021년 5월 21일 오후 12시 25분 
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, did someone just Necro a thread from 2015?
Soully 2021년 5월 21일 오후 12시 26분 
Oh wow, this was back when my name was Floresca. That was forever ago, man...
David 2021년 5월 21일 오후 1시 24분 
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Squizznค็็็็็็็rლ(◕‿‿◕ლ)님이 먼저 게시:
Seriously, Atilla was East Asian not white.

I think someone is confusing Atilla with Genghis Khan.

Huns aren't the same as mongols you ignorant ♥♥♥♥.

Genghis Khan was white with blue eyes. We can read about it today
David 2021년 5월 21일 오후 1시 46분 
and Attilas mother waas European, we even have coins showing Attila with a long nose, but hey .... where is the issue? Nomads and Chinese look different, besides there are million of people and people look different, so who cares if he was Asian or white? In Asia are many whites and in Europe are some Asians, it is not differed in those Scythian regions as nowadays in modern american cities with "Chinatowns".... people were judgwd by success in hunting and war and not their physical appearance like nowadays in USA. Whole world wonders about USAs racism
Powellinho.72 2021년 5월 21일 오후 2시 23분 
6 year old thread. YIKES!
Mile pro Libertate 2021년 5월 22일 오전 1시 20분 
David님이 먼저 게시:
and Attilas mother waas European, we even have coins showing Attila with a long nose, but hey .... where is the issue? Nomads and Chinese look different, besides there are million of people and people look different, so who cares if he was Asian or white? In Asia are many whites and in Europe are some Asians, it is not differed in those Scythian regions as nowadays in modern american cities with "Chinatowns"....

...people were judgwd by success in hunting and war and not their physical appearance like nowadays in USA. Whole world wonders about USAs racism
Get out of whatever neo-Marxist or Comintern forums/sites you're getting your news from, for one thing. For another, look at the metrics.

The United States is the least racist country in the world right now. Asians, blacks, whoever...look at their per capita gdp and standards of living in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world. If there is such a thing as "institutional racism" in any nation state in the year 2021, it's definitely not in the U.S.A.
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David 2021년 5월 22일 오전 4시 12분 
yes, but in other countries people are not classified into races, but in USA they are... officially.
In our passports it is only written if u male or female and colour of your eyes. thats it.
U are not part of a race in the rest of the world.
Everywhere people look different and live in districts together, but in USA it is seperated into different areas of a common city. citizens of the same nation doesn't live together and treated differently because of physical appearance.
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Muerte 2021년 5월 22일 오전 5시 53분 
Attila was actually from New Jersey and better than most of us...
David 2021년 5월 22일 오전 6시 03분 
XD
Plok! 2021년 5월 22일 오전 6시 12분 
Attila was a midget with golden teeth and that's a fact.
Mile pro Libertate 2021년 5월 22일 오후 2시 10분 
David님이 먼저 게시:
yes, but in other countries people are not classified into races, but in USA they are... officially.
In our passports it is only written if u male or female and colour of your eyes. thats it.
U are not part of a race in the rest of the world.
Everywhere people look different and live in districts together, but in USA it is seperated into different areas of a common city. citizens of the same nation doesn't live together and treated differently because of physical appearance.
Ok, I see more now what you're getting at.

Remember that the U.S. is an absolutely huge country, spanning a continent, and it has always had large waves of immigration from various places throughout its history. Most other countries are considerably more homogenous, ethnically speaking, for example the Scandinavian countries. Much of the reason for differentiation in documents on ethnicity is thus for legal practicality.

For example, a suspected murdered is wanted and all that goes out on the call is that his name is "James Gonzales," green eyes, 5 foot 11 inches tall. If you're looking for the suspect, it would help to know more than that. Is he Hispanic? Last name would indicate probably...but is that Dominican or something? So potentially black skin? Both parents were light skinned so he's light skin? Big differences.

As for having different areas of cities and such, it's important to remember that humans self segregate naturally, for a variety of reasons, especially with immigration waves. Irish immigrants tended to live in the same areas of a city, Sicilian immigrants formed "little Italy" within cities, Chinese formed "Chinatowns," etc.

The U.S. had the largest mobility in a population in world history post World War II, and the largest occupational diversity as well, and after several decades of that, the result was people tending to congregate around similar demographics to themselves.

For around the last thirty years, the trend has been for decreasing urbanization, with the rise of "suburban" communities, and that trend has only increased in the last few years. "Chinatowns" and such like have been replaced with industry-centers, like "Silicon Valley," or "roustabout cities" sprouting up around pipeline and mining projects.

Meanwhile, traditional industries such as textiles and machine manufacture have radically declined in the U.S. since World War II, and the trend grew in intensity since the 1970s, with service sector jobs taking over. So instead of most Americans working in farming, or at a coal mine, or an iron foundry, they're more likely to work at a department store or fast food place. These kinds of jobs are throughout suburbia and only exacerbate the trend away from more concentrated, "factory town" populations, which in turn changes the dynamic from the older urban trends of Chinatowns and such.

"Race" is played on in the U.S. for political reasons, ie. identity politics, and yes, the identity politics is silly. That's more a function of democratic politicking than racism though.

Other countries do the politicking too, but in different form. In African countries, citizens are differentiated by tribal membership and by religious affiliation, for example. Especially in the Muslim regimes, religious affiliation is a big deal, because it dictates things like what taxes you pay or how you go about getting a business loan. The later schema encompasses not only much of Africa, Middle East and Central Asia, but also the Indonesian countries.

Israel has a similar system, but for Judaism, which is treated by Israel as a heritage/ethnos in addition to being a religion. For example, Jewish ancestry must be declared and proven with paperwork for at least two generations in order to serve in the IDF (Israeli military).

The South Asian countries put a lot of emphasis on ethnic and/or tribal membership, while countries such as PRC, Vietnam and N. Korea do so unofficially, whilst ostensibly being "blind" to such things. For example, PRC officially only cares about "citizenship" and "party membership," in terms of differentiation of its subjects, but in reality they separate out according to if you're Han or not, if you're an Uyghur, etc.

It's worth noting too that when countries such as the PRC segregate, they do so as a matter of institutional policy. For example, the PRC labor camps that Uyghurs frequently are forced into. Another example would be South Africa, where skin color largely dictates whether your title to land is honored or not by the regime, with incoming tribes flowing over the border being placated with lands forcibly appropriated from the white/Afrikaans farmers by the government: it is politically justified there by the regime to dispossess Afrikaans of land, and institutionally executed under law.

The above is in contrast to the U.S., where occupational decisions or market forces create the trends, as opposed to some governmental, institutional policy. For example, if many first generation Mexican immigrants find themselves working in the construction occupations in the U.S., it's a product of them being able and willing to fill such roles + the desire of existing, settled U.S. Americans to not want to work on those sectors. There is no institutional or legal framework that mandates this, eg. gathering Hispanic immigrants into labor camps and then forcing them to do road construction or dirt moving, like you'd see in the PRC, or even a "softer" form of such, for example the Indian government passing different levels of security clearance for Sri Lankan or Kashmiri people, thus limiting the occupations open to them.

Nor is it social institutions of "racism" in the U.S. either. Continuing with the construction industry example, Hispanic immigrants are not finding themselves in construction as a result of racism any more than black Americans are finding themselves not in construction: the simple reality is, on the aggregate, Hispanic immigrants are ready and willing to work those jobs; black Americans don't try to get into those jobs. There are very, very few black Americans in construction; there are a lot of Hispanics: so if there is "racism," what exactly is it? If a drywall crew is mostly all Mexican, then a local media personality or college professor may opine that "this is racist"....but if the crew was mostly black American, and they were hired preferentially as a matter of institutional policy, that would also be called racist, and "anti immigrant"...if white Americans formed most drywall crews, then that would be "racist" against blacks and Hispanics, etc. etc.

The bottom line is that people self segregate when they have the luxury to do so: history is pretty clear on that. Forced integration doesn't work: it produces more social ills than goods and ironically tends to exacerbate racialist ideas. People tend to go for work when and where they can get it, and avoid that work which they find undesirable, that is, again, if they have the luxury to do so.
Soully 2021년 5월 22일 오후 8시 45분 
... That's cool and all, homie, but you are aware you're responding to a meme thread from 2015 about a total war game that released some six years ago, right?
David 2021년 5월 23일 오전 3시 29분 
TY for explaining system in USA. But the headline of discussion here is focusing on differentiation between whites and East Asians regarding Attila, an Ancient Hun from Europe. I cannot find any sense in it. He wasn't really East Asian, he had a long nose, but what i want to say is that the most in the world does not really care, because Siberia and Central and Western Asia never had been locked down to one homogenous race, especially not the mobile Nomads and their confederations, they were not homogenous.
This would be a point of view, that i think has it´s origin in someone from USA, because it is famous for making people belonging to races.... I am not saying that someone is guilty to do so. Maybe every group is choosing that way in a free will, but i think many people who want to be seen independent of ancestry are suffering that it is like that.
Is Hispanic seen as a race in USA? I dont really know about it. I think Europeans, Native Americans, Eastern Asians and SubSaharans can have Catholic names and speek Spanish all. Is that making them one common Hispanic group? Here it seems strange to me.
If you check the parental yDNA of many SubSaharans living in USA u will find out that many of them has European yDNA.... My point is that Attila could have some Asian look, but i don't think that he really looked Eastern Asian even if many Huns in his time looked that way.
totalwar360 2021년 5월 23일 오후 5시 11분 
atilla was turanid , half caucasian half central asian
Eddie G 2021년 5월 24일 오후 6시 37분 
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Berserk Smurf님이 먼저 게시:

Hrm - what do you mean by "Asian"? Do you mean a person of Eastern Oriental appearance, or someone who could be Iranian, Indian etc.

If you are saying a steppe nomad could only have been of one ethnicity, well that is a position of ignorance in itself, you know.

Well, 'Asian' is sort of a generalized term for any ethnicity with slanted eyes. Several Iranian people, however, are of Mongolian decent from the Timurid Khanate days. Which is why some Iranian people have slanted eyes. But, generally speaking, Iranian people are considered Hispanic/Semite, like Arabs or Israelis.

Indian people, assuming you mean people from the Indian subcontinent (Indian is a racial slur for Native American people in America) vary. The Indian people of South India have very dark skin, similar to that of middle/south Africans. However, the people of Northern India have a much lighter skin, similar to Turks or Greeks. So, in a racial context (speaking from a North American cultural perspective) Indians could be considered Hispanic or Black, if you will.

Inidian is not a racial slur for native americans. Many tribes in California actually call themselves "Indians". I used to work for the Coyote Valley Band of Pomo Indians. They do not call themselves native americans.
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