The Huns! My God!

[SGT.SMASH]

As the Eastern Empire, for the last 30 years, I've been battling the huns on and off, and my god they're strong on this game.
1) The number of armies they can field is phenomenal. Think you've defeated atilla and is 5-stack horde? Oh don't painc here's another 6.
2) Their units! Jesus! Their cavalry are pretty imense, but their heavy cavalry are just unstoppable! Their chosen uar warriors and bosphorans make short work of any legionary cohors of mine. I wont even mention their seige weapons...
3) Atilla is invincible. This annoyed me actually, I sunk him on the danube, assasinated him, and killed him in battle yet everytime they invade he's there at the head of a new army! Lol!

Any advice on how to handle them?

Also, how accurate do you think this is? I thought the huns were almost exclusively light cavalry/horse archers, I'm a little surprised to see them fielding the best infantry in the game and better seige weapons than the romans. Also, should they be allowed to 'form transports' they way they do? etc...

[Mephiston87]

Publicado originalmente por Budoshi:

Publicado originalmente por Mephiston87:

Armoured legio are quite a bit worse, but good bang for buck and good at holding a position. herculani are more all rounders.

Really? ok thx i got to try the WRE then , im more into heavy infantry then heavy cavalry.

same, i honestly thought ERE would have better infantry and they should. Herculani seniores can stand toe to toe against most elite units still probably lose against them tho, ERE doesnt have any infantry that can. it makes mid/late game very difficult.

[Geffalrus]

Publicado originalmente por SherShahSuri:

Publicado originalmente por SGT.SMASH:

I'm not offended... I'm just a little annoyed by people complaining about something they cant beat, that guy was saying Hun infantry is OP... but its not? Chosen Uar Warriors vs best roman legion or euro barbarian warband will lose easily.

Hun Nokkor cavalry vs roman melee cavalry = hun lose, hun first wave lancer vs sassanid gyun whatever you call it = hun lose.

also... the battle of Chalons, was a huge victory for Rome, but was not their victory... they didn't make the core of the army, nor did they score the major fighting, it was the Visigoths who can be held responsible for that victory, along with the other barbarian tribes who joined in : Franks, Burgundians, Saxons and the Alans.

Considering thats Rome + 5 other (probably more) barbarian nations, with an army of 300,000 vs a vastly smaller army of 80-100,000 I think the Huns did considerably well since they were winning that battle and only at the turning point when the VISIGOTHS turned the battle into their side's favour.

So, after so many victorys from the Huns, i'd say they were pretty much more formidable than european nations, especially when it was 1 vs 1, but Huns vs a united europe, then well... i dont think even Chenghis Khan could smash a united continent easily.

Also, to educate you somewhat more... the Huns Did invade eastern empire, many times... but rather than conquering them, they just robbed them and extorted them, because the East is vastly wealthier than the west... always has been.

Um, no, Chosen Uar Warriors never ever ever lose easily. They have a massive attack bonus vs infantry, decent defense, sky high morale, are immune to fear effects, and cause fear in others. Combine all that with existing Hun traits (Christians fear them, they have 0 upkeep, spawn continuously, etc) and you have something that is completely absurd.

You're rather confused about the Battle of Chalons. Attila had plenty of Germanic/Gothic allies on his side as well. Ostrogoths, Alamans, Rugians, Gepids, Thuringians, etc. Numbers wise, both sides were fairly equal. Attila led a coalition just like Flavius Aetius.

[Ēarendel]

Publicado originalmente por SherShahSuri:

also... the battle of Chalons, was a huge victory for Rome, but was not their victory... they didn't make the core of the army, nor did they score the major fighting, it was the Visigoths who can be held responsible for that victory, along with the other barbarian tribes who joined in : Franks, Burgundians, Saxons and the Alans.

Considering thats Rome + 5 other (probably more) barbarian nations, with an army of 300,000 vs a vastly smaller army of 80-100,000 I think the Huns did considerably well since they were winning that battle and only at the turning point when the VISIGOTHS turned the battle into their side's favour.

So, after so many victorys from the Huns, i'd say they were pretty much more formidable than european nations, especially when it was 1 vs 1, but Huns vs a united europe, then well... i dont think even Chenghis Khan could smash a united continent easily.

Also, to educate you somewhat more... the Huns Did invade eastern empire, many times... but rather than conquering them, they just robbed them and extorted them, because the East is vastly wealthier than the west... always has been.

300,000? What are you talking about? Their armies were equal in numbers, you'd be wise to look it up. Both armies also consisted of combatants from many people aswell so I'd say it was a fairly equal battle. With the genius of Flavius Aetius prevailing the victory.

[Shrinex]

The ERE's Hetaireia Guards win vs Chosen Uar Warriors. I think the Hetaireia Guards are the best infantry

[Mephiston87]

Publicado originalmente por Shrinex:

The ERE's Hetaireia Guards win vs Chosen Uar Warriors. I think the Hetaireia Guards are the best infantry

Hetaireia Guards only have 20 armour and no shield, if they dont get the charge or get charged they die as fast as archers in melee. theyr not really infantry theyr a specialist suicide squad, designed to charge and die(similar to shock cavalry but worse). Were talking about units that last and can be used en mass, if you have an army full of Hetaireia Guards your going to lose horribly. if you have an army of Elite infantry your hard to beat.

[Shrinex]

Hetaireia Guards have 27 armor and 40 defence have you used them or just looked at there stats? Your hypothetical scenario is absurd and not relevant.

[AnimeCatGirl]

Hun cav is terrible, Chosen Uar, and Uar warriors both lose to cav or missile fire. I agree from a historical stand point it seems kind of silly that the Hun's have some of the worst cav (in cav vs cav engagements) and some of the best infantry (infantry vs infantry engagements) but that's how she goes.

Hun's suck. In campaign they win due to numbers, but most of their roster is a joke.

[Mephiston87]

Publicado originalmente por Shrinex:

Hetaireia Guards have 27 armor and 40 defence have you used them or just looked at there stats? Your hypothetical scenario is absurd and not relevant.

it wasnt a scenario at all, theyr shock infantry or "infantry killers". thats why they have a decent charge bonus and damage and no other good notable stats. why use them when u can just use shock cav or heavy cav? far more shock damage and they have the ability to disengage. Roman Armoured Sagattarii have 27 armour and theyr archers... get the picture? Chosen Uar are good against cavalry+ranged+infantry, Hetaireia Guard are only good against infantry, cavalry and ranged massacre them.

I dont use them i use cavalry instead for obvious reasons.

[Shrinex]

Mephiston, Your forgeting a stat, defence and Hetaireia Guards have 40 more then any other 2hander. I have used them alot in muti and completing a ERE campaign. When ever they are used they always kill alot more then they themselves deploy. They seem no weaker to missle fire then other medium troops

[Mephiston87]

Publicado originalmente por Shrinex:

Mephiston, Your forgeting a stat, defence and Hetaireia Guards have 40 more then any other 2hander. I have used them alot in muti and completing a ERE campaign. When ever they are used they always kill alot more then they themselves deploy. They seem no weaker to missle fire then other medium troops

i believe defence is only for melee, has nothing to do with ranged damage avoidance thats armour+shield. if your using them against infantry they work well just dont use them against cavalry or dont take arrow fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ArdLG82jQ

Royal huscarals are cheaper and win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LAvMXtbQzQ

missile fire ballistarii 2 volleys 27 Hetaireia Guard dead. They die significantly faster then normal infantry.

[Shrinex]

Those are the ridiculous scenarios I was refering to. Royal huscarals might win in a head on head fight but Hetaireia Guards are more versatile with there 40 def.

[Mephiston87]

Publicado originalmente por Shrinex:

Those are the ridiculous scenarios I was refering to. Royal huscarals might win in a head on head fight but Hetaireia Guards are more versatile with there 40 def.

those are text book test scenario's. would 27 chosen uar warriors die to 2 volleys of ballisttai? would chosen uar warriors die to a cavalry charge? as i have said Hetaireia Guard are not versatile at all, they kill infantry and die to the rest. Chosen uar warriors are good against all, they even give Hetaireia Guard a good fight(still lose tho).

i dont know that much about how defence works but most infantry i can see at tier 2 has 40+
tier 1 Roman Cohors the very first infantry has 34.

[Shrinex]

I just tested chosen uar charging 2xbows 1st 17 died(loose formation) 2nd 21 died and 3rd 23 died. having 1 unit of xbows getting 2 vollys before they charge would be lucky. This also proves Uar warriors are not much better in taking missle fire.

[Mephiston87]

Publicado originalmente por Shrinex:

I just tested chosen uar charging 2xbows 1st 17 died(loose formation) 2nd 21 died and 3rd 23 died. having 1 unit of xbows getting 2 vollys before they charge would be lucky. This also proves Uar warriors are not much better in taking missle fire.

u tested 2 crossbow units against 1 unit of chosen uar warriors?so they take less then half the casualties, Hetaireia Guard were only against 1 in the vid.

[Shrinex]

yes to get 2 vollys xbows dont fire fast enough to get 2 off before they have to move. I watched your videos and matched the vollys