Serious Question About Ramped Difficulty

[HooksGURU]

I have played two sucessful campaigns with each objective filled, both with factions you would expect to come out on top. So, I ventured to try the Ostrogoths...my God, is it even possible or am I really doing it wrong. I have tried migrating in every direction, while staying nomadic, and I continue to find myself faced with either the Huns (OP) who seem to chase me down, or the multitude of other hostile Roman factions with puppet states equally aggressive.

I wanted to try the Ostrogoths out of the fact I really enjoy the unit diversity, but it is making me rage quit Attila alltogether. It just seems that this faction has coding that disallows forward progression and it is pretty much lazy. It is quite obvious that programming works against them on every front as I have tried numerous different starts to the campaign.

Am I alone here? Am I crazy?

If you have any significant details about a successful campaign with the Ostrogoths, please leave it. It is beyond frustrating to get to the same period of time without any sign of victory, or even the slighest bit of equal gains.

[Voth]

Step 1, buy a merc onager.
Step 2, go west. The WRE is much easier.
Step 3, ignore the rediculous chapter 1 goals.

[HooksGURU]

Escrito originalmente por Voth:

Step 1, buy a merc onager.
Step 2, go west. The WRE is much easier.
Step 3, ignore the rediculous chapter 1 goals.

I appriciate the input. Should I ignore the first few encounters with Western Roman faction to gain distance from the hun? I have been hitting them for loot & sack on my way west.

EDIT: I agree about Dacia in Chapter 1 that has to be a misprinted objective. Also, I have been ignoring Civil tree at the get-go, in place of first tier millitary.

[Voth]

Sack as much as possible, attacks against the WRE generate huge amounts of diplomatic currency. By attacking WRE you can even get the huns green with you and gain peace, if you want it.

[Voth]

Yeah military is good, though getting labour service is 1000 gold in the bank at the end of chapter 1.

I'm not entirely sure if the Dacia and alliance with the huns stuff is historically accurate.

[Machin Shin]

its doable with saxons but hard with all others what i have seen so far i don't have dlc factions so far

[dfromdub]

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Am I alone here? Am I crazy?

Well, around 0.1% of the players completed the Ostrogoth campaign (at least minor victory) at any difficulty. That right there tells you about the difficulty of the campaign.
I finished a normal game with the Vandals about a week ago and the stats was 0.12%. Now its like 0.13%...

If I was going to guess by what I read in TW forums, I would have tought that at least half the players managed to win the campaign ...

So no, you are not crazy. The game is hard, it's mostly "artificially hard" i might add, but it's still quite a challenge

[HooksGURU]

Escrito originalmente por dfromdub:

Escrito originalmente por HooksGURU:

Am I alone here? Am I crazy?

Well, around 0.1% of the players completed the Ostrogoth campaign (at least minor victory) at any difficulty. That right there tells you about the difficulty of the campaign.
I finished a normal game with the Vandals about a week ago and the stats was 0.12%. Now its like 0.13%...

If I was going to guess by what I read in TW forums, I would have tought that at least half the players managed to win the campaign ...

So no, you are not crazy. The game is hard, it's mostly "artificially hard" i might add, but it's still quite a challenge

Sounds accurate. I managed to liberate two factions which helped a great deal in dealing with hostile activity to the east (mainly The Hun) until peace could be made, however as soon as relations turned sour between The Hun and rebel factions which I liberated, it ruined my progress with both income and ally relations. Which finally ruined my chance for building a force to fight the Western Roman generals (which were stacked with high tier infantry)...all was lost, turn 50-ish. Starting again when I find the will to continue.

The odds are unbalanced as all hell right now...

Thank you all for the responses. If you make any progress yourself with this faction, I would love to hear it, and give you significant praise!

EDIT: Notice how either side of the Roman Empire has rediculous unit levels post turn 20...that would fall under the cheating AI catagory for sure. They possess almost final tier melee before most factions even research tier 2...

[Cucked_By_Trump]

Migration factions tend to suffer some sort of diplomatic pentalty even if you settle in land that is desolate by default

[Caesar]

Just in general this game is artifically hard. I just spent over 200 turns barely surviving as the Langoabards simply because I didn't migrate away from the Huns. Everybody and there monther called me a great power even though by the end I had settlements. Luckily I held on, if barely.

[15th Legion]

Ostrogoths are pretty easy in my opinion, i took over itallia and completely destroyed the huns by 422 AD, The more huns you kill the more allies and trade partners you can have you can have.

[HooksGURU]

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Ostrogoths are pretty easy in my opinion, i took over itallia and completely destroyed the huns by 422 AD, The more huns you kill the more allies and trade partners you can have you can have.

What on earth are you on about? Pretty easy? Have you even tried the Ostrogoth campaign?

EDIT: BTW The Huns have little to no effect on your success as an Ostrogoth...especially since you have to kill Attilla himself over two times just to drive them back, which isn't even possible until the final chapters. Thus, you hardly have the strength as a nomadic faction to even dent The Huns offense. They are better left alone, or on your side.

[15th Legion]

Escrito originalmente por HooksGURU:

Escrito originalmente por Marcus Aurelius:

Ostrogoths are pretty easy in my opinion, i took over itallia and completely destroyed the huns by 422 AD, The more huns you kill the more allies and trade partners you can have you can have.

What on earth are you on about? Pretty easy? Have you even tried the Ostrogoth campaign?

EDIT: BTW The Huns have little to no effect on your success as an Ostrogoth...especially since you have to kill Attilla himself over two times just to drive them back, which isn't even possible until the final chapters. Thus, you hardly have the strength as a nomadic faction to even dent The Huns offense. They are better left alone, or on your side.

Yes i am about 110 turn into the my ostrogoth campaign, Atilla is dead (You only have to kill him 2 times, and yes i am sure as i have killed him in 3 different campaigns) and so are all of the huns. The huns themselves are not a threat to you no, but everyone hates them and they are infinite untill attilla takes control so you rack up pretty much infinite political capital by killing them which allows you to create alliances with who ever you choose (Including the ERE if you so desire). The Ostrogoths are easier then other migrators since once they settle they get instant access to Roman Heavy Spearman which are very powerful (This advantage is what allows you to win against the Huns consistenly) in the early game, and with that kind of military advantage you can create a very powerful ecomony since you dont have to worry about investing time into military tech untill the mid to late game. Thats really all i can say about the ostrogoths.

Edit: heres a screenshot of the Ostrogothic Kingdom
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=406877703

[HooksGURU]

Escrito originalmente por Marcus Aurelius:

Escrito originalmente por HooksGURU:

What on earth are you on about? Pretty easy? Have you even tried the Ostrogoth campaign?

EDIT: BTW The Huns have little to no effect on your success as an Ostrogoth...especially since you have to kill Attilla himself over two times just to drive them back, which isn't even possible until the final chapters. Thus, you hardly have the strength as a nomadic faction to even dent The Huns offense. They are better left alone, or on your side.

Yes i am about 110 turn into the my ostrogoth campaign, Atilla is dead (You only have to kill him 2 times, and yes i am sure as i have killed him in 3 different campaigns) and so are all of the huns. The huns themselves are not a threat to you no, but everyone hates them and they are infinite untill attilla takes control so you rack up pretty much infinite political capital by killing them which allows you to create alliances with who ever you choose (Including the ERE if you so desire). The Ostrogoths are easier then other migrators since once they settle they get instant access to Roman Heavy Spearman which are very powerful (This advantage is what allows you to win against the Huns consistenly) in the early game, and with that kind of military advantage you can create a very powerful ecomony since you dont have to worry about investing time into military tech untill the mid to late game. Thats really all i can say about the ostrogoths.

Edit: heres a screenshot of the Ostrogothic Kingdom
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=406877703

So you stuck around Dacia from the start? What difficulty?

I understand 100% what you are saying, I simply can't replicate the results for the life of me. You gave up horde then? Roughly what time period, if you can remember. I'm impressed if you were able to accomplish this without trainers, easy, etc.

[15th Legion]

The difficulty Is normal (I personally dont like the morale debuffs you get on hard) and all the advice stuff is turned off, i didnt save scum either. I quit the horde extremely early, i killed the gepids and then moved east a took the first walled WRE city a came into contact with i then moved south took another walled WRE city and then conquered west then south into itallia. I held a front against huns at that northern most border for about 22 years untill they were defeated

[15th Legion]

Escrito originalmente por HooksGURU:

Escrito originalmente por Marcus Aurelius:

Yes i am about 110 turn into the my ostrogoth campaign, Atilla is dead (You only have to kill him 2 times, and yes i am sure as i have killed him in 3 different campaigns) and so are all of the huns. The huns themselves are not a threat to you no, but everyone hates them and they are infinite untill attilla takes control so you rack up pretty much infinite political capital by killing them which allows you to create alliances with who ever you choose (Including the ERE if you so desire). The Ostrogoths are easier then other migrators since once they settle they get instant access to Roman Heavy Spearman which are very powerful (This advantage is what allows you to win against the Huns consistenly) in the early game, and with that kind of military advantage you can create a very powerful ecomony since you dont have to worry about investing time into military tech untill the mid to late game. Thats really all i can say about the ostrogoths.

Edit: heres a screenshot of the Ostrogothic Kingdom
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=406877703

So you stuck around Dacia from the start? What difficulty?

I understand 100% what you are saying, I simply can't replicate the results for the life of me. You gave up horde then? Roughly what time period, if you can remember. I'm impressed if you were able to accomplish this without trainers, easy, etc.

The difficulty Is normal (I personally dont like the morale debuffs you get on hard) and all the advice stuff is turned off, i didnt save scum either. I quit the horde extremely early, i killed the gepids and then moved east a took the first walled WRE city a came into contact with i then moved south took another walled WRE city and then conquered west then south into itallia. I held a front against huns at that northern most border for about 22 years untill they were defeated