Visigoth unit upgrades - Gothic Warband into Falxmen?

[Mike]

Why is this even a thing? Both of these units serve entirely different purposes within the army and the "upgrade" from Gothic Warband to Falxmen seems like a downgrade overall. Why not make Falxmen a separate unit, or why not make the upgrade tree go Falxmen > Gothic Warband instead? Not sure what the logic was on this, except maybe something historical.

Hopefully a mod comes along that changes this somehow.

[Coldsmoke]

Or change your play style. You are supposed to use pikes then flank with flaxmen. Shock troops have to be used differently than gothic warband.

[Mike]

引用自 Coldsmoke：

Or change your play style. You are supposed to use pikes then flank with flaxmen. Shock troops have to be used differently than gothic warband.

That's exactly my point. A medium melee shield unit should NOT be "upgraded" into a shock troop. That's not an upgrade, that's a replacement, and a stupid one. And, now that I think about it, not even a historically accurate one, so that's not it. Guess CA can't fix things without breaking something else.

[Phi11]

I really dislike the upgrade system, I really hope they get rid of it, or atleast let me recuit my old units, I mean, come one, foot soliders turning into calvary...

[Mike]

引用自 arado333：

I really dislike the upgrade system, I really hope they get rid of it, or atleast let me recuit my old units, I mean, come one, foot soliders turning into calvary...

Yeah, no kidding. I didn't even notice the Brigands turned into mounted skirmishers with half the ammo.

Also, did a little googling and it seems like there are a few mods out there that fix these issues for specific factions, including the Goths.

[Phi11]

I mean, the only advantage I could even remotley see would be that it would make your unit roster less clutered by only alowing you to recruit a set number of units. But in all of the totalwar games, I have used each unit that I have had at my disposal for set tasks. Just because I can move on and use a newer unit does not mean that I will stop using a lesser unit. Alot of times I will station lesser armies deeper in my empire to keep the peace, or I will post them on the fringes of my empire where there really is no action, all the while I am using my more powerful units to crush in my main areas of conflict. This system forces you to after a time, have the best of everything, and then you have to use the best of everything for even the most simple task.

[Mike]

引用自 arado333：

I mean, the only advantage I could even remotley see would be that it would make your unit roster less clutered by only alowing you to recruit a set number of units. But in all of the totalwar games, I have used each unit that I have had at my disposal for set tasks. Just because I can move on and use a newer unit does not mean that I will stop using a lesser unit. Alot of times I will station lesser armies deeper in my empire to keep the peace, or I will post them on the fringes of my empire where there really is no action, all the while I am using my more powerful units to crush in my main areas of conflict. This system forces you to after a time, have the best of everything, and then you have to use the best of everything for even the most simple task.

It kills the economy of most factions by the time you're 80+ turns in too, because upkeep gets completely out of hand if you upgrade every single old unit and are adding new armies as well. Cheap, low upkeep untis serve purposes as much as the units they upgrade into. CA seems to have missed that detail.

[ZodiyaK]

引用自 Coldsmoke：

Or change your play style. You are supposed to use pikes then flank with flaxmen. Shock troops have to be used differently than gothic warband.

Heres an idea. How about giving the player choice and letting them play however they want like in previous Total War games. No? Silly me.

[von_krysiak]

yeah all upgrades are kinda stupid - like very heavy roman infantry upgrades to heavy and then to MEDIUM lol.
Just like roman generals upgrade to cavalry - you should be given a choice of cavalry or infantry. Cavalry gets sniped by enemy arty in like 2-3 salvos unless you move em around - it is silly