Tributary states useless?

[Regergek]

I mean, sure they give you some money but they always hate you so they'll never join your wars or accept trade, is it like this with other forms of vassals too?

[Bob Boblington]

With Satrapy states they fall in line and join your wars. They will give you money and if they like you enough they will fight wars on your behalf. I'm at war witha tribe that's conquered eastern Europe. I'm winning and I havn't sent one army.

[VoiD]

Had the same issue as the huns.

Plus the instant you fight a hard battle and try to use their lands to recover (increased replenishment) they will betray you and attack your weak forces.

Seems better to just erradicate them instead.

Oh and every single second you spend within their field of view they will be spamming agent actions against your armies, the overlord should be able to force them to stop that kind of crap even if they had to kill their entire royal family to be taken seriously.

[Gliesse]

I've had one tributary state and it's completely useless, after around 15turns they still hated me, I declared war on a different faction and they again became my enemy so I killed them all.

Now all I see is destroyed cities by the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horders or what ever they're called....

[La Comte de Frou Frou]

I had a tributary state taken in war. They hated me for a while but always joined my wars.

[Creamy Cakes]

you use your brain and look at whats causing them to hate you. Making them a puppet state doesnt automatically make them love you. L2P. They're great when you know how to actually play then game and have them at 500+ relationship.

[Can'tTouchThis]

I have loads of satrapies as Himyar (i vassalised the sassanids because i couldnt be bothered to chase them across all of my land with every single one of my armies, they're now the strongest 1 region faction ever to be seen) by making the sassanids my vassal all of their vassals became mine too, i'd say the majority actually like me, some are slowly going to 100 positive relation, armenians are rebellious so.... i'll have to fight them eventually and the sassanids will probably always hate me. Kind of trying my best to avoid war until all but the Armenians and Sassanids like me so i can just leave my vassals to take out the armenians while i stomp on the Sassanids when the inevitable happens.

[kryogenic]

Hi Guys,

Totally agree with Creamy Cakes, You just need to learn how to use them, i use them all the time to hold the borders of Western Rome.

That said Puppet states are automatically forced to join wars or break away, i think the same with satrapies from memory. If they break away just kill them again and re-subjugate because it's considered a type of "Deal" and gives a postive attitude. also when you re-subjugate they are automatically at war with whoever you are, wich also gives positive attitude. I've easily converted enemies of mine this way and turned them on their former freinds :-)

Tributaries are a little different but the same general principles apply, personally i prefer the other types.