Liberate then subjugate?

[BirkTheLirk]

I'm currently playing as the Visigoths, and liberating a lot of different factions. I aim to settle down later. But the liberated factions only become military allies. Should I attack them after I liberated the and make them puppet states? Or is it somehow stupid?

[Coldsmoke]

That is what you should always do whenever you can afford to take the diplomatic penalty. Declaring war will be their only option if they get butthurt instead of just ending the military alliance. If the new faction leader has the rebellious trait then kill him again.

[BirkTheLirk]

How big is the diplomatic penalty?

[Coldsmoke]

Your reliability rating drops 2 levels for betraying the military alliance.

[Arendarr]

I tried to do that but it is NOT a good idea as later on they will give you a small amount of money but won't be your military allies so they will be useless

[Nick Naughty]

War, Sack, Liberate, War, Subjugate.

Your reliability rating will drop, but you can't wait round 10 turns waiting for the ok to declare war.

Make sure your client states are at war with someone otherwise they will declare war on you.

[Can'tTouchThis]

Tested that in the beginning of my new visigoth game - didn't see the point at all - tiny amount of money / turn when u can just keep them as allies and they'd still help in wars anyway + act as a buffer.... why bother?

[icedude94]

I've never really known the AI since Rome 2 to break military alliances. It seems the same thing in Attila. The positive points in favor gained from all the treaties are so high you would have to deliberately break the treaties yourself and take hostile actions directly against a faction to get it to break the military alliance with you.

Military alliances also count towards your controlled territories goal. Objectives often are "control X settlements through conquest or military alliances."

The one major benefit I potentially see over subjugation versus a military alliance is that subjugated factions will always join in your wars. Military alliances might sometimes break if one faction has cold feet.

[Stratigeni]

It is much better, (and more fun) to liberate first. As time passes, the world around you will become more & more friendly. With exception of a few factions, the majority will be ur ally till the end. You can always backstab them later, when you have no further use for their exsistence.....,Muwhahaha!

[Nick Naughty]

Originally posted by BirkTheLirk:

yes, but it was deleted after 2 hours :/ :Keys:

What this thread ?

[Nick Naughty]

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