Who has the Best Shock Calvary?

[SerHak72]

Who will win in a Shock Calvary Duel?
Franks?
Alans?
Huns?
Romans?
Sassanids?

write down your choice and why on the comments.
(My Opinion is the Franks because of their Ferocious Warriors Trait)

[習近平]

Sassanids kick ass with their grivpanvar cav in online battles.

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Sassanids have the best shock cavalry in the game. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. They have the highest health, highest armor, highest charge bonus and the highest mass. You really don't want to let any kind of cataphracts get a charge on your cavalry or infantry as they'll stop existing soon after. Even if they get a bad charge or get stopped somehow, they have sooo much armor and health that they'll be tanking it out for a long time.

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Originally posted by Xandnar Battleborn:

Originally posted by 57th Roman Emperor:

Sassanids have the best shock cavalry in the game. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. They have the highest health, highest armor, highest charge bonus and the highest mass. You really don't want to let any kind of cataphracts get a charge on your cavalry or infantry as they'll stop existing soon after. Even if they get a bad charge or get stopped somehow, they have sooo much armor and health that they'll be tanking it out for a long time.

Do the Sassanind cataphracts not have the same stats as the ERE cataphracts?

Nope, Sassanid cataphracts are superior. The only contender that ERE has is Clibanarii and they're only very slightly stronger than Grivpanvar Cataphracts (charge 242 instead of 240, health 244 instead of 242). Also, Clibanarii are much more expensive (750 vs 625), which is why Sassanids are superior in this regard. Pushtigban and Gyan Avspar are the best shock cavalry in the game, but they're extremely rarely used as they're a bit expensive and Grivpanvar are already very, very strong and relatively cheap. Clibanarii are very rarely used as well as they're very expensive.

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Originally posted by Xandnar Battleborn:

Originally posted by 57th Roman Emperor:

Nope, Sassanid cataphracts are superior. The only contender that ERE has is Clibanarii and they're only very slightly stronger than Grivpanvar Cataphracts (charge 242 instead of 240, health 244 instead of 242). Also, Clibanarii are much more expensive (750 vs 625). Pushtigban and Gyan Avspar are the best shock cavalry in the game, but they're extremely rarely used as they're a bit expensive and Grivpanvar are already very, very strong and relatively cheap. Clibanarii are very rarely used as well as they're very expensive.

Makes sense I guess, ERE did copy the Sassanid cataphracts in the first place. Funny to think of a successor to the Persian empire developing heavily armoured proto-knights first. It's usually Western empires and kingdoms you imagine holding off rapacious hordes with mounted and armoured knights.

Suppose the Roman equites or Macedonian companions count as Western examples of protoknights except they were more about smashing into the undefended rear of engaged armies rather than sweeping them away from the front.

It is believed that medieval knighthood originated from the Roman Equestrian Order. Equites were nobles. They had enough money to afford horses and thus formed most of the cavalry that the Romans fielded during the Republic. Franks copied that. The noble and rich warriors rode on horseback into battle. Charlemagne started giving them pieces of land for their service and that's how everything started. Feudalism, knights... But yeah, it all actually started in Persia. Aristocracy mounted on the finest horses and clad in the most expensive armor, fighting with a lance as heavy cavalry, always guarding the Spahbed or the Shah ("king"). It's "funny" to think that because the Persian Empire (latest being the Sassanids) were conquered and assimilated by the Arabs. Many people don't even know of Parthia or the Sassanids and they most likely believe that the Persians were Islamic. When someone thinks of an Islamic warrior, they all think about Arabs, the desert and lightly armored men with sabers, not heavily armored horsemen.

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Originally posted by Xandnar Battleborn:

Originally posted by 57th Roman Emperor:

It is believed that medieval knighthood originated from the Roman Equestrian Order. Equites were nobles. They had enough money to afford horses and thus formed most of the cavalry that the Romans fielded during the Republic. Franks copied that. The noble and rich warriors rode on horseback into battle. Charlemagne started giving them pieces of land for their service and that's how everything started. Feudalism, knights... But yeah, it all actually started in Persia. Aristocracy mounted on the finest horses and clad in the most expensive armor, fighting with a lance as heavy cavalry, always guarding the Spahbed or the Shah ("king").

I know all this :P Don't suppose floating the info around hurts anyone mind you. Just stems from horses + armour = v expensive and prestigious ergo only the richest could afford to splash on it. Pretty swords used to be pretty vogue too, like the Celtic Damascus steel swords.

Well, people always liked decorating personal stuff. It just gave it that extra bit of personal touch. The rich could afford much more complex and expensive things than a simple engraving on a hilt.

[Nick Naughty]

Sassanid Gyan Avspar and Bergundian Royal Lancers.

Both are good, stats better in some places on the lancer, the lancers skills are better.

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Gyan Avspar outclass the Royal Lancers by a longshot. Yeah, the Burgundians do have a bit better charge, but Gyan Avspar have MUUUUCH higher armor, much higher health and their mass is higher as well. Because of that they'll cause more casualties on the charge and will stay in melee for much longer than Burgundians. Of course, when it comes to MP, price is an issue, and Burgundians are cheaper by about 225. Pushtigban are comparable to the Burgundian Royal Lancers though.

[Nick Naughty]

Royal lancers have scare everyone, thats pretty cool.

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Yep, can be useful in tight engagements with other cav. Morale can be a deciding factor between a victory or a defeat in a cav vs cav engagement. That's why Nordic Horse Lords are good. They become unbreakable with their "Unbreakable" ability for 30 seconds. They're basically going to fight to the last "man" if you pop this in time and they'll have the chance of routing enemy cavalry as well. There are no "tight engagements" for Gyan Avspar thoguh. They just trample everything and everyone, although they're a bit too expensive for MP.

[Nick Naughty]

I'm so glad nordic horse lords isn't shock cavalry.

I do perfer the royal lancer, its stats may not be as high as the gyan avspar but it does have that extra funky ability to it, a pattern I'm seeing a lot of when looking through the faction rosters.

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Well, i prefer the Grivpanvar Cataphracts. Most bang for the buck. They're much cheaper than all 3 mentioned (Gyan Avspar, Pushtigban and Royal Lancers), but they're only slightly weaker than the Royal Lancers (a bit lower charge, melee defense and melee attack). They cost 625 while the Royal Lancers cost 750. I'd say that they're the most cost effective shock cav unit in the game. Other than Royal Lancers, nothing else can really beat Grivpanvar. Even if they don't manage to charge the enemy, they're tanky as hell and will hold for a long time with no support.

[Imposter]

Hunnic Shock Cavalry are the best because of how they are dynamic and versatile, whoever said any middle eastern cataphracts are the best are sorely mistaken.

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Originally posted by Blasted:

Hunnic Shock Cavalry are the best because of how they are dynamic and versatile, whoever said any middle eastern cataphracts are the best are sorely mistaken.

Dude, just no. Do you even play MP? Do you follow the competetive scene and various battles on youtube? All Hunnic cav (both melee and shock) is extremely cost ineffecient. Noble Steppe Cataphracts are the best unit they have and it's both weaker and much more expensive than Grivpanvar Cataphracts. That's a superior unit that costs 625 vs an inferior unit that costs 775. Even the Royal Lancers are cheaper than that and they'll mop the floor with Noble Steppe Cataphracts. The only Hunnic cav that is worth a damn is the cheap Steppe Lancers and the mid-tier Steppe Cataphracts. They won't hold anything for a long time, but they'll cause a fair amount of casualties and stay alive long enough for the Uar Warriors to get in and chop everything up. Also, what the hell does "dynamic" and "versatile" mean? They're no different than any other shock cav. This isn't even an argument, it is a well known fact that Hunnic cav sucks and that the Sassanids have very good shock cavalry.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by 57th Roman Emperor:

Originally posted by Blasted:

Hunnic Shock Cavalry are the best because of how they are dynamic and versatile, whoever said any middle eastern cataphracts are the best are sorely mistaken.

Dude, just no. Do you even play MP? Do you follow the competetive scene and various battles on youtube? All Hunnic cav (both melee and shock) is extremely cost ineffecient. Noble Steppe Cataphracts are the best unit they have and it's both weaker and much more expensive than Grivpanvar Cataphracts. That's a superior unit that costs 625 vs an inferior unit that costs 775. Even the Royal Lancers are cheaper than that and they'll mop the floor with Noble Steppe Cataphracts. The only Hunnic cav that is worth a damn is the cheap Steppe Lancers and the mid-tier Steppe Cataphracts. They won't hold anything for a long time, but they'll cause a fair amount of casualties and stay alive long enough for the Uar Warriors to get in and chop everything up. Also, what the hell does "dynamic" and "versatile" mean? They're no different than any other shock cav. This isn't even an argument, it is a well known fact that Hunnic cav sucks and that the Sassanids have very good shock cavalry.

Dude just YES, DID YOU EVEN PLAY THE GAME MUCH LESS THE HUNS? They're versatile because they shoot arrows IF YOU"D BOTHER TO CHECK their speed is worth every penny. Do you even know what they're used for?? ONE TIME USE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT "Better Stats" means nothing if you don't know how to use them. Shock Cavalry for the Huns is NO contest period.

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Originally posted by Blasted:

Originally posted by 57th Roman Emperor:

Dude, just no. Do you even play MP? Do you follow the competetive scene and various battles on youtube? All Hunnic cav (both melee and shock) is extremely cost ineffecient. Noble Steppe Cataphracts are the best unit they have and it's both weaker and much more expensive than Grivpanvar Cataphracts. That's a superior unit that costs 625 vs an inferior unit that costs 775. Even the Royal Lancers are cheaper than that and they'll mop the floor with Noble Steppe Cataphracts. The only Hunnic cav that is worth a damn is the cheap Steppe Lancers and the mid-tier Steppe Cataphracts. They won't hold anything for a long time, but they'll cause a fair amount of casualties and stay alive long enough for the Uar Warriors to get in and chop everything up. Also, what the hell does "dynamic" and "versatile" mean? They're no different than any other shock cav. This isn't even an argument, it is a well known fact that Hunnic cav sucks and that the Sassanids have very good shock cavalry.

Dude just YES, DID YOU EVEN PLAY THE GAME MUCH LESS THE HUNS? They're versatile because they shoot arrows IF YOU"D BOTHER TO CHECK their speed is worth every penny. Do you even know what they're used for?? ONE TIME USE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT "Better Stats" means nothing if you don't know how to use them. Shock Cavalry for the Huns is NO contest period.

Just no. Live in lies if you wish, but i've played many battles and seen even more. I don't want to bother starting a pointless chain of comments, but Hunnic cavalry in general sucks. Unfortunately, light shock cav has no place in the game and medium cav is, well, mediocore. They will lose to all of the mentioned shock cavalry in the previous comments. Royal Lancers, Clibanarii and Sassanid cataphracts are the strongest shock cav in the game, period. A volley or two of arrows is entirely useless, especially against cav that has 250 hp and 50+ armor. I'll be very glad to play a Sassanid vs Huns battle against you tomorrow if you wish. Anyways, we're not talking about skill here, we're talking about stats. Statistically, Grivpanvar, Pushtigban, Royal Lancers and Clibanarii are superior to anything that the Huns have to offer.