AOC Cav is too weak

[D_loaded]

Frankish Knights, get killed by peasants with wooden spears..... My knights should be able to mow right over those levy spearmen. And in medieval II they CAN!

Its like theres no charge bonus!

[Terra]

They can, but they need to hit from the flank. Otherwise the result should always reflect this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5Imb7vWSc

[Naughty Mouse]

A frontal charge against any unit that can brace spears/pikes is devestating to the cavalry. What is not so well reflected in the game is that many charges, by horse or infantry never made contact simply because the receiving unit broke and ran. But if they did not run, it was ussually devestating for the charger to run into the wall of spears.

Side and rear charges would have disolved that levi unit in seconds.

[D_loaded]

Originally posted by Stannis Baratheon:

They can, but they need to hit from the flank. Otherwise the result should always reflect this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD5Imb7vWSc

even agienst units with swords this happens to the heavy cav! its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Frankish knights were invincible fighting machines!

[Mike]

Nope, they were not godlike. The English beat the French at Argincort with longbowman, wooden stakes and a bit of bad weather. The knights charge was slow in the mud, the barricades impeded progress and the longbowmen shot them to peices. The French had the numeretical advantage and more/ superior cavalry and still lost the battle.

Also the crossbow came about, ending the dominance of the plate mail knight. A peasant with an afternoons crossbow practice could kill a Knight who trained their whole life for war. It was such a big deal, nobles petitioned the Pope at the Vatican to ban the crossbow. This obvously failed. Also any peasant levy with pikes/ spears with man at arms/ regular troops behind WILL stay because they know they got backup. Levy troops first line, regulars second is a powerful combo. Levy blunts attack, regular troops tip the balance.

Heavy cavalry are best to hit the flanks, med/ light cavalry to kill fleeing units and skirmisher cav to kill archers ect.

[D_loaded]

Originally posted by Mike:

Nope, they were not godlike. The English beat the French at Argincort with longbowman, wooden stakes and a bit of bad weather. The knights charge was slow in the mud, the barricades impeded progress and the longbowmen shot them to peices. The French had the numeretical advantage and more/ superior cavalry and still lost the battle.

Also the crossbow came about, ending the dominance of the plate mail knight. A peasant with an afternoons crossbow practice could kill a Knight who trained their whole life for war. It was such a big deal, nobles petitioned the Pope at the Vatican to ban the crossbow. This obvously failed. Also any peasant levy with pikes/ spears with man at arms/ regular troops behind WILL stay because they know they got backup. Levy troops first line, regulars second is a powerful combo. Levy blunts attack, regular troops tip the balance.

Heavy cavalry are best to hit the flanks, med/ light cavalry to kill fleeing units and skirmisher cav to kill archers ect.

They lost the battle becasue they got stuck in the mud, if it was a clear day ina grassy field the english would have been dead. Im not complaining about that, Im complaining that my Knights cant kill anything! not even unarmored swordsmen! even when i charge in the read it still does next to nothing!

[maurinusa]

Cav isn't some unstoppable force thats > all. You need to tie up the enemy forces with your own infantry and get your cav into their rear, and then watch the enemy just melt away

[Destin Faroda]

Actually, the one with the longer pointy stick should win, like in Medieval II, were a long lance beats the pitchfork and the pike beats the long lance.

Besides, peasants were rarely used on the battlefield due to a lack of discipline, drill, training and equipment. They should flee when seeing cavalry charging at them.

[Nero]

Does anyone else notice how Cavalry does not work in TW since... I dunno maybe Napoleon?

But with and since Rome 2 its really bad:

Charge into enemy bowmen for example and its just nothing happening. The cavalry units stop like 2m before "hitting" the enemy unit and then slow down and walk at the bowmen that also somehow stop and then kill them in melee.

There is no charging and ya know that epic smashing into like we had in Rome 1 and Medieval 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aER8eFADLMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqMQ6qzsj4

[D_loaded]

Originally posted by Kinski:

Does anyone else notice how Cavalry does not work in TW since... I dunno maybe Napoleon?

But with and since Rome 2 its really bad:

Charge into enemy bowmen for example and its just nothing happening. The cavalry units stop like 2m before "hitting" the enemy unit and then slow down and walk at the bowmen that also somehow stop and then kill them in melee.

There is no charging and ya know that epic smashing into like we had in Rome 1 and Medieval 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aER8eFADLMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hqMQ6qzsj4

I agree 100% your right on the mark.

[D_loaded]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXkWfEIALxM

[Mike]

Those video's they stop the cav movement, which is why they slow down. Cavalry need momentum from running to charge properly in total war. If you control your cav like that, interrupting the movement, attacking pikes/ spears head on- no wonder they are not working well.

Also cav stacks have what, 80 men in them against a hundred something infantry on utltra/ large unit stacks in game options. dose 80 vs almost 200 of something sound like good odds to you? Especially when they attack with the better units behind the peasant levy that has tied you up. 80-160 men vs 200-300 head on, you expect to win that? You know about the bonous for outnumbering, flanking ect when units fight right? Not happening. If you haven't broken a unit on the charge with cav, you need to pull them out and try again, the damage is in the inital impact, not the protracted combat against a more numerous unit(s).

Again, numerous peasant levy with crossbows, spears, pikes and early blackpowder guns ended the concept of the more expensive heavy cavalry. The game reflects the history. Cavalry flanking and chasing fleeing/ broken units is where they are most dangerous, not head on.

In ancient and medieval battles, the majority of the casualties occoured after an enemy army broke and left the feild than in the battle itself. Again, its obvious which types of units are most responsible for this...