Total War: ATTILA

Total War: ATTILA

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Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 9:49am
Weak WRE
so my heavy spearmen get routed by light desert levy. WHAT IN THE ACTUAL ♥♥♥♥! my heavy swordsmen cant beat any light units either....is it just me or do the WRE units hugely underpowered?
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Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 10:26am 
MILITARY TRAINED HEAVY INFANTRY ISNT SUPPOSED TO FLAT OUT LOSE AGAINST FRIGIN PEASANTS WITH MAKESHIT WEAPONS AND ARMOR AAAHHHHHH! I HATE YOU TOTAL WAR!!!!! WHY DOES IT TAKE 3 UNITS OF HEAVY SWORDSMEN TO BEAT ONE SPEAR LEVY!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 10:27am 
time to save up for a new comp and just get warhammer........
Hat8 Apr 7, 2017 @ 10:47am 
Originally posted by rayjr88:
MILITARY TRAINED HEAVY INFANTRY ISNT SUPPOSED TO FLAT OUT LOSE AGAINST FRIGIN PEASANTS WITH MAKESHIT WEAPONS AND ARMOR AAAHHHHHH! I HATE YOU TOTAL WAR!!!!! WHY DOES IT TAKE 3 UNITS OF HEAVY SWORDSMEN TO BEAT ONE SPEAR LEVY!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Armored militia vs hardened desert people.

Roman infantry do not have charge bonuses so when you play as Rome you need to blunt the initial charges before sending in your good troops.
Miketanic Apr 7, 2017 @ 10:53am 
Well whether or not they are underpowered is definitely a matter of debate. However, keep in mind if your units have low integrity, they will rout easily, low experience, then doubly so. What works for me is playing defense. Get close to the enemy, then set your spears in a solid front line with no gaps, put them in defensive testudo. Have your skirmishers close behind. Once the enemy engages your spears, send your cohors around (quickly) to attack their rear. Its all about flanking early on, yoy wont be able to chop through most enemies head on until you get about mid game, when you have better units with more experience. Remember, flank, flank, flank.
Kentathor Apr 7, 2017 @ 11:16am 
Originally posted by rayjr88:
time to save up for a new comp and just get warhammer........

I hate total war -> let's get warhammer. Lol. I don't think that game is more balanced then this.
A general rule in total war is that sword,club etc units beat spearmen. Spearmen are best used against cav.

You should try mods, there are lots of them that change unit strength and balancing etc.

I think that the romans are okay. Limitani (or what they are called) weren't elite soldiers or really capable of fighting in the field.
Miketanic Apr 7, 2017 @ 12:11pm 
Take into account also the historical situation which is reflected in Attila fairly well.

In this period or the WRE, the Roman army wasnt really Roman at all, it was comprised mostly of barbarians and foriegn mercenaries (which you can see when you look at the soldiers in-game), which meant legendary Roman discipline of the past was long gone. Equipment standardization was nearly non-existent, and the equipment that was produced was of terrible quality compared to that given to the shining segmentata clad legions of the past.

Political in-fighting and cronyism lead to woefully inadequate leaders being given command positions, and even then their loyalties shifted freuquently. A drop off in trade and ability to collect taxes meant that often the soldier went unpaid, leading to a further drop in discipline, loyalty and quality of troops. I think you would find some documentaries on this period of the WRE quite interesting. I only write this to help soothe your anger, so that you dont think CA was being arbitrarily difficult in the campaign design (not that thats something they wouldn't do).
Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 12:33pm 
no2morrow i agree with you and my anger as u said did blur my judgement the WRE wasnt anything near what the actual romans were
Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 12:34pm 
so what youre saying is use a defensive line with the spears and flank with the swords? i was setting a line of spears and flanking with javelins
Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 12:35pm 
i felt as if the swordsmen with what? 14 attack got destroyed but pretty much anything thrown at them. yes their damage is a 40ish but whats the ppoint if they cant hold their own to begin with?
Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 12:35pm 
im sorry i need to beat this lol
Valder Apr 7, 2017 @ 12:52pm 
WRE infrantry is just good to defend and hold the line, not counting couple late tier units. You need to use cavalry and skirmishers to flank the enemy. Its much easier that way. Only worthy infrantry to use flank & charge are praeventores(?). Since almost all of them are heavyly armored, they are at disadvantage against maces and axes.
If you need to use those sword units, let them throw all those javelins at the backs of their enemies, then charge. Thats how they get the kills.
Miketanic Apr 7, 2017 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by rayjr88:
so what youre saying is use a defensive line with the spears and flank with the swords? i was setting a line of spears and flanking with javelins

Exactly. Make sure to put them in defensive testudo, that will prolong their time before routing, and you will have to position them manually so that there isnt even a tiny gap between them. I too crave the killer Roman forces from Rome 1 and 2, its frustrating to be playing as Rome and have to deal with lousy forces. I miss hacking my way through barbarians and desert dogs.

Edit: I dont know if you already do this, but I also place my scout so that they are close, but to the side of the enemy deployment zone, so that they pass by them to meet my forces, and once engaged, I hit their skirmishers from the rear while my cohors and other sword units flank their infantry. That way both their skirmishers and infantry are hit from behind, its a sure way to rout the enemy quickly.
Last edited by Miketanic; Apr 7, 2017 @ 1:25pm
Hat8 Apr 7, 2017 @ 1:56pm 
Originally posted by rayjr88:
so what youre saying is use a defensive line with the spears and flank with the swords? i was setting a line of spears and flanking with javelins

Crossbows would probably be better for this as they're the WRE's speciality.
Nightman20 Apr 7, 2017 @ 1:59pm 
what areas should i save and what should i leave alone???
i was thinking save italy and spain and leave the rest to the bastards.
any help would be appreciated
Miketanic Apr 7, 2017 @ 2:10pm 
Originally posted by rayjr88:
what areas should i save and what should i leave alone???
i was thinking save italy and spain and leave the rest to the bastards.
any help would be appreciated

Demolish all the buildings in Brittania Inferior and Pannonia, and leave them to the enemy. Italy and Spain are good choices to save. If you can hang on To Belgica I would try, but you can get by without it.
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