(SPOILERS) It's just a Theory!

[Majima Goro]

After completion, I'm looking for a big picture of the series of events. Here's the basics of what I believe are facts:

The player is the Queen of Venus and the game goes through her awakening to ascension and sorta the end of the world equipped with the four truths. In the end we know that her and King of Mercury were always meant to be together.

A few lore bits I found interesting from the transient locations:

Humans are created in a place I assume to be within the Earth as seen in the Ephemeral Location: Human Seedbed. They come as blobs and learn to string together sentences. At the end we see a what's called a "perfect imitation" which looks like full white Venus.

In one we see King of Dogs (identified cuz get's called good boy and all) talk to another entity. These two are clearly behind the awakening of Venus. Also there is a third person watching over this from a window above.

Another really bizzare one is the serene shower or however it's called. In the end a crowned figure with similiar face to Venus but wearing a crown emerges. Is this a reference to the Shining or something?

Here's what I still don't get:
-Who is the King of Dogs working with to awaken Venus? And the third party overwatching their chat?
-How did Venus become a human? Is this a reincarnation? The Human Seedbed is a clue.
-How did they loose their memories?

And many more. Any ideas thrown help!

[Majima Goro]

You can also unlock a poem in their website using the code you hear next to a wall in the hospital level. It has a drawing of four figures: King Mercury, Queen Venus, a dog (probably King of Dogs) and a pink suit and hat child holding Venus' and Mercury's hand.

I think it's the second party the King of Dogs was talking to in the transient location since they were both on good terms and in the know but I have no clue who that might be

[Chinese Tito]

Originally posted by Majima Goro:

How did Venus become a human? Is this a reincarnation? The Human Seedbed is a clue.

There's probably people with a way more fundamental understanding of the plot than I do, but I'll give my two cents; I suppose.

To me it seemed that the implication was that everything that had happened in the game was a cycle. That this song-and-dance that had happened here has happened plenty of times. I believe our main character (lets just call her Pompy, for now), was probably created in the Seedbed for the explicit purpose of being a vessel for Venus. That being said, I stick to the personal conclusion that Pompy was at least; at some point, a real individual person.

I think her onset Schizophrenia, and ergo the cascade into building the psychopomp, was all "divinely" inspired. As in either designed or afflicted, on purpose so that Pompy would be deluded into building the machine, by Venus. So when she built this machine she thought would give her insight into lies, just showed her the "true" nature of the world instead, lending us to the events of the game and eventually the ascension.

From what little we get in the intro, I imagine she was just a normal girl. So I dunno how she ended up where she was considering they imply she was hatched from that cocoon from "starting point". The timeline seems hazy as to all the events. And even what events were accidental or purposeful.

The game (probably purposely) truly captures being stuck in a conspiracy. I have no idea where most of these points start, end, or tie to what. I'd come up with more if I had a better grip of what separates the two Earths, and what humans are doing this entire time in this cycle. Cause it seemed life was pretty normal prior to the Psychopomp being built, and the Thrails mention eating refuse like discarded hamburgers, and seeing a human get hit by a car. But it is clear humans have little to no part in this "conspiracy".

[Majima Goro]

I believe I've heard somewhere that what she sees was created by the dog and not the "truth" in order to prepare her.
I do see her becoming a vessel afterwards likely - in the seedbed she was described as an imitation, so it could be she was an "empty" person for a while in order to grow.
The "starting point" is interesting. It could be a cocoon of her other earlier incarnation? May be something she discovered while "sleeping" that awoke her? May be a place someone PUT her into to awake?

And for the last point - this is what I absolutely love about the lore of such type of games. It really tickles my tism to find out more about it.

[Chinese Tito]

Originally posted by Majima Goro:

The "starting point" is interesting. It could be a cocoon of her other earlier incarnation? May be something she discovered while "sleeping" that awoke her? May be a place someone PUT her into to awake?

And for the last point - this is what I absolutely love about the lore of such type of games. It really tickles my tism to find out more about it.

I thought about the cocoon myself, I see one of three options.

1. Pompy was "Hatched" there. But I dunno why. Considering the other humans we see in the catacombs appear in the seedpod and they are just growing like usual. We even get the "imitation" pompy there.

2. The Queen was hatched there. This is the more logical conclusion, in terms of literalism. But that would maybe imply the Queen took over Pompy later. And had at least had some physical form that wasn't Pompy. Not impossible, but not likely either

3. That the cocoon was used to hide/shield Pompy from the others. So that she would be protected. I subscribe to this personally, as it seems what we presume is Venus crashing the meeting at the end to be a genuine surprise. Perhaps the others, like the Dogs didn't expect Pompy to ascend so quickly or at all? The tutorial dog is aware of her sure, and we have the orb-communication stuff. But it seems to me Pompy was some sort of "hidden factor" that isn't fully explained.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Majima Goro:

You can also unlock a poem in their website using the code you hear next to a wall in the hospital level. It has a drawing of four figures: King Mercury, Queen Venus, a dog (probably King of Dogs) and a pink suit and hat child holding Venus' and Mercury's hand.

I think it's the second party the King of Dogs was talking to in the transient location since they were both on good terms and in the know but I have no clue who that might be

The depicted persons are very obviously NOT King Mercury and Queen Venus, they depict the dog and his 3 friends who can be seen when playing the epilogue, trying to convince the King to fight the Queen. The poem is very much in line with the talk the dog has over the sphere-communication-system and what is heard in the natural museum about wanting to have "fun" and "more toys". The family of four probably very much represents the Caldman Four, who appeared in the solar system one day as an interstellar phenomenon. They play with sentient species and accidentally "break" them when having to much fun. Humans were a funny species, but went extinct. The thrives came next, but were boring to the Four, so they tried to recreate the more fun humans as clay figures, but they only manage to create shallow copies. Their entire plan consists of manipulating the King and Queen to form new sentient life for them to play with.

[SinCore777]

"ovwewatching their chat"
.. overwatch?

[Kill "people" with hammers]

From what I've picked up on, the second protagonist also might be the king of mercury, but I'm mostly grasping onto the hammer and the nail exchange, and the nail weapon icon

[BongBong20]

Its pretty clear that Pompy is Venus and the epilogue character is Mercury, question is what does the ending of the epilogue mean in correlation to the dogs.

[Kain]

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

To me it seemed that the implication was that everything that had happened in the game was a cycle. That this song-and-dance that had happened here has happened plenty of times. I believe our main character (lets just call her Pompy, for now), was probably created in the Seedbed for the explicit purpose of being a vessel for Venus. That being said, I stick to the personal conclusion that Pompy was at least; at some point, a real individual person.

The seedbed humans are made out of clay and bleed dust. Pompy bleeds red blood. She can't be a clay figure. But yeah, there is much that hints towards the theory that all of this happened at least once already.

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

I think her onset Schizophrenia, and ergo the cascade into building the psychopomp, was all "divinely" inspired. As in either designed or afflicted, on purpose so that Pompy would be deluded into building the machine, by Venus. So when she built this machine she thought would give her insight into lies, just showed her the "true" nature of the world instead, lending us to the events of the game and eventually the ascension.

The psychopomp is a distraction. It works at 0% efficiency, as one of the NPCs in the "Home"-level states. It likely isn't doing anything, or at least not anymore.

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

From what little we get in the intro, I imagine she was just a normal girl. So I dunno how she ended up where she was considering they imply she was hatched from that cocoon from "starting point". The timeline seems hazy as to all the events. And even what events were accidental or purposeful.

Venus and Mercury are refered to as gods by notes and the tribes-people because thats exactly what they are: Supernatural beings, probably brainwashed to "create new toys" to "the Four" whenever they break their old ones.

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

The game (probably purposely) truly captures being stuck in a conspiracy. I have no idea where most of these points start, end, or tie to what. I'd come up with more if I had a better grip of what separates the two Earths, and what humans are doing this entire time in this cycle. Cause it seemed life was pretty normal prior to the Psychopomp being built, and the Thrails mention eating refuse like discarded hamburgers, and seeing a human get hit by a car. But it is clear humans have little to no part in this "conspiracy".

Because real humans went extinct long ago, and their replacements are just clay-people. Whatever conclusion we may draw out of it, the secret ending you unlock by getting all the emerald keys hint that the solar system as we know it doesn't exist anymore, save for Venus and Mercur.

[thorondragon]

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

Originally posted by Majima Goro:

How did Venus become a human? Is this a reincarnation? The Human Seedbed is a clue.

There's probably people with a way more fundamental understanding of the plot than I do, but I'll give my two cents; I suppose.

To me it seemed that the implication was that everything that had happened in the game was a cycle. That this song-and-dance that had happened here has happened plenty of times. I believe our main character (lets just call her Pompy, for now), was probably created in the Seedbed for the explicit purpose of being a vessel for Venus. That being said, I stick to the personal conclusion that Pompy was at least; at some point, a real individual person.

I think her onset Schizophrenia, and ergo the cascade into building the psychopomp, was all "divinely" inspired. As in either designed or afflicted, on purpose so that Pompy would be deluded into building the machine, by Venus. So when she built this machine she thought would give her insight into lies, just showed her the "true" nature of the world instead, lending us to the events of the game and eventually the ascension.

From what little we get in the intro, I imagine she was just a normal girl. So I dunno how she ended up where she was considering they imply she was hatched from that cocoon from "starting point". The timeline seems hazy as to all the events. And even what events were accidental or purposeful.

The game (probably purposely) truly captures being stuck in a conspiracy. I have no idea where most of these points start, end, or tie to what. I'd come up with more if I had a better grip of what separates the two Earths, and what humans are doing this entire time in this cycle. Cause it seemed life was pretty normal prior to the Psychopomp being built, and the Thrails mention eating refuse like discarded hamburgers, and seeing a human get hit by a car. But it is clear humans have little to no part in this "conspiracy".

I don't think tis a cycle actually, or at minimum there was a cycle and its been broken.


There are four elemnts i am looking at here. The large translucent thing we see in one realm, the chrysails, the note in the sewers, and the ending song that plays when you finish the game.

The song talks about how the singer learned of someone on the national news, and was instructed to murder and dismember them. going into vague details of how the body parts were used, and that the rest were dsicarded ,'hid the rest in my closet'.

while its 'pompy' that sings it, it is in a man's voice. Considering there is a lot of references to the body parts and viscera in the game, its likely what happened to the 'queen of venus'. the cosnpiracy incited the king to kill his queen.


There are two other elements though. one is the shedded translucent body, and one is the chrysalis. i think it came in this order.


The translucent body was Pompy's original form, that she shed to interact with the earth. She ended up known by everyone, and for some reason, a strange disease spread from her presence. The exact reason for this is unknown, maybe she was angered by what she saw and was blighting them, or maybe she was framed.

The chrysalis though i feel proves that she isn't from the seedbed. My guess 'hide what's left in my closet' formed a chryasalis. she is a god, she is immortal though her material form can be damaged and destroyed, she can't be fully killed. However after her revival she was weak, young again, had to take time.


Let us presume that the severed smiling head we see in the into was one of the parts the conspiracy utilized. Perhaps they used it to influence pompy and her memory, repress her and make her think 'she's happy'. Could be its used to influence a lot of people in this world. 'put your brains into phones'.

they intended on processing her when she was fully grown, to extract moer power. maybe this has happened several times, maybe this was their first go at it. AGain, she is immortal.


however she grew paranoid as the influenced weakened, as she grew stronger.


Basically the psychopomp helmet is in reality a tin foil hat that protected her from that influence and opened her eyes...... 'her third eye' especially.


Question is......... why.

My guess that the dog and the girl betrayed the mother and father. they were bored and so sowed chaos and discor between them and empowered a third party, the conspiracy. but, they grew bored of the conspiracy too, and now want to incite another fight between them.



the king is thequestion though. he doesn't seem to be wearing a helmet but its possible he wasn't processed. he is missing his face as it turns out. ikts possible that during the struggle that his face was torn off by pompy.

[thorondragon]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

To me it seemed that the implication was that everything that had happened in the game was a cycle. That this song-and-dance that had happened here has happened plenty of times. I believe our main character (lets just call her Pompy, for now), was probably created in the Seedbed for the explicit purpose of being a vessel for Venus. That being said, I stick to the personal conclusion that Pompy was at least; at some point, a real individual person.

The seedbed humans are made out of clay and bleed dust. Pompy bleeds red blood. She can't be a clay figure. But yeah, there is much that hints towards the theory that all of this happened at least once already.

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

I think her onset Schizophrenia, and ergo the cascade into building the psychopomp, was all "divinely" inspired. As in either designed or afflicted, on purpose so that Pompy would be deluded into building the machine, by Venus. So when she built this machine she thought would give her insight into lies, just showed her the "true" nature of the world instead, lending us to the events of the game and eventually the ascension.

The psychopomp is a distraction. It works at 0% efficience, as one of the NPCs in the "Home"-level states. It likely isn't doing anything, or at least not anymore.

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

From what little we get in the intro, I imagine she was just a normal girl. So I dunno how she ended up where she was considering they imply she was hatched from that cocoon from "starting point". The timeline seems hazy as to all the events. And even what events were accidental or purposeful.

Venus and Mercury are refered to as gods by notes and the tribes-people because thats exactly what they are: Supernatural beings, probably brainwashed to "create new toys" to "the Four" whenever they break their old ones.

Originally posted by The GOATmeal Cookie:

The game (probably purposely) truly captures being stuck in a conspiracy. I have no idea where most of these points start, end, or tie to what. I'd come up with more if I had a better grip of what separates the two Earths, and what humans are doing this entire time in this cycle. Cause it seemed life was pretty normal prior to the Psychopomp being built, and the Thrails mention eating refuse like discarded hamburgers, and seeing a human get hit by a car. But it is clear humans have little to no part in this "conspiracy".

Because real humans went extinct long ago, and their replacements are just clay-people. Whatever conclusion we may draw out of it, the secret ending you unlock by getting all the emerald keys hint that the solar system as we know it doesn't exist anymore, save for Venus and Mercur.

considering the thraits are in fact still alive, i think it was a deception to influence the current world. there may well be humans left........ true humans..... humans with the third orifice. humans with a Third Eye.

[Chinese Tito]

Just wanted to mention that I appreciate the inputs and clarifications :)

[Kain]

Originally posted by thorondragon:

the king is thequestion though. he doesn't seem to be wearing a helmet but its possible he wasn't processed. he is missing his face as it turns out. ikts possible that during the struggle that his face was torn off by pompy.

There is dialogue in the game that implies the Kings face already looked strange when they first met.

[thorondragon]

Originally posted by Kill "people" with hammers:

From what I've picked up on, the second protagonist also might be the king of mercury, but I'm mostly grasping onto the hammer and the nail exchange, and the nail weapon icon

the spike rsembles a nail for sure. together tha hammer an nail create things. seperate?


the ending song i think implies heavily what happened. said it in a more recent one but the gyst is something incited the king to attack the queen and murder her and dismember her immrotal body. its possible the fraek yhead we see in the opening credits, attached to the device, shows this.

[thorondragon]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by thorondragon:

the king is thequestion though. he doesn't seem to be wearing a helmet but its possible he wasn't processed. he is missing his face as it turns out. ikts possible that during the struggle that his face was torn off by pompy.

There is dialogue in the game that implies the Kings face already looked strange when they first met.

oh no that is the king AFTER killing the queen some uncertain amount of time later. the king seems to be lacking his memories, perhaps traumatized from what he did to his queen..... maybe losing his face made him forget his identity entirely.