Rising World

Rising World

Nanaki Oct 6, 2022 @ 2:37pm
Any hope for any VR support?
Or a mod, if anything...
This will be my second home lol
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red51  [developer] Oct 6, 2022 @ 6:28pm 
Yes, VR support is definitely planned :) Unfortunately we have no ETA for it yet, because we first need to get the new version a bit more fleshed out before we can focus on that ^^ As soon as the most important core features are implemented (i.e. biomes, npcs, vehicles etc), we will probably start working on a VR branch.

If someone wants to create a VR mod for the game in the meantime, we would of course appreciate it (although adding VR through a mod is going to be quite difficult due to the complexity of the game).
Draven Crow Oct 6, 2022 @ 10:50pm 
You up for it Nanaki? The offer is there.
SUF ツ Oct 7, 2022 @ 3:33am 
These are good news for VR friends :-)
There is a VR-glasses manufacturer that wants to compete with Meta called Pico. They are new to the consumer market in Europe. Pico is owned by the company Bytedance (TikTok).
The "Pico 4" was just presented, if it is planned to offer the game on standalone devices, Pico probably has a big budget for game development, where game developers can be financially and technically supported. Game developers can apply there as far as I know. Maybe this could be interesting for you? But also on Steam there is the possibility to use the glasses via SteamVR and wireless, similar to the Quest 2/Valve Index/G2...etc. Presumably, however, this is not financially supported :-)
I can well imagine that the worlds in "Rising World" will have many visitors and that this will be an alternative "Metaverse" ;)
Draven Crow Oct 7, 2022 @ 10:29am 
For those of us who are the praying types, we'll need to pray on this and be back with an answer. I'll do my part.
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ArcticuKitsu Oct 7, 2022 @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by SUF ツ:
These are good news for VR friends :-)
There is a VR-glasses manufacturer that wants to compete with Meta called Pico. They are new to the consumer market in Europe. Pico is owned by the company Bytedance (TikTok).
The "Pico 4" was just presented, if it is planned to offer the game on standalone devices, Pico probably has a big budget for game development, where game developers can be financially and technically supported. Game developers can apply there as far as I know. Maybe this could be interesting for you? But also on Steam there is the possibility to use the glasses via SteamVR and wireless, similar to the Quest 2/Valve Index/G2...etc. Presumably, however, this is not financially supported :-)
I can well imagine that the worlds in "Rising World" will have many visitors and that this will be an alternative "Metaverse" ;)

I agree with this. Even if its made by the Chinese. I do play Genshin Impact and Azur Lane, so having Pico 4 would push things in an interesting direction. I do agree with supporting VR on anything possible, even the Pico devices. When the time is right, sure. Oculus? Sure, even though I hate Oculus for its Facebook and censorship nonsense. I brought this up on one of those VR dedicated blog news sites getting hatred in the comment section so I'm glad to see more rational and sensible people mentioning various things other people would otherwise be fearful of.

Valve Index is the most likely 'go to' VR headset device, HTC used to be one.

Having Rising World on the Pico 4 would be an interesting experience, I'm sure.

I'm curious what happened to the other standalone types, the Deco, or whatever it was called? I need to look that up again.:ALdrinkemoji:
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ArcticuKitsu Oct 7, 2022 @ 11:17pm 
Originally posted by Draven Crow:
My answer as well, I relish going VR and I wouldn't mind whatever Red51 chooses. Of course there is also the matter of affordable VR besides mobile phones and 'dollar store' cheap headsets. Something as impressive as Rift, Oculus or any other style that gives that 'wow factor' experience.

That's why we both mentioned Oculus and Pico 4 when it comes to affordability. If people say "VR is expensive" then they're a bunch of turds. Maybe in 2017, it's not an excuse or reasoning now. If there is a will, there is a way. Always. There is always a way. Even though I hate Oculus for how bloated and faulty they are (artificial cut-off support) my VRCHat gaming friend vouches for its worthiness. I reluctantly support Oculus only for what my friend said about it.

If you want a good actual VR then yes, Valve Index for $1500 Canadian.

There's also DecaGear, curious if its still being worked on. Haven't heard much from it.
Nanaki Oct 8, 2022 @ 3:28am 
Originally posted by red51:
Yes, VR support is definitely planned :) Unfortunately we have no ETA for it yet, because we first need to get the new version a bit more fleshed out before we can focus on that ^^ As soon as the most important core features are implemented (i.e. biomes, npcs, vehicles etc), we will probably start working on a VR branch.

If someone wants to create a VR mod for the game in the meantime, we would of course appreciate it (although adding VR through a mod is going to be quite difficult due to the complexity of the game).

Steam needs better notification options lol, only just saw this now.
This is awesome news :) I hope all the best for you and hope the new update goes well :p

Originally posted by Draven Crow:
You up for it Nanaki? The offer is there.

No, I am still learning. I may try to in private and see where it goes :) I know it is fairly easy to make a VR game but this game is a different beast entirely, as red51 mentioned.
But if anyone has information about VR mods in Rising World then post it here.
gustavo.etch Oct 12, 2022 @ 3:35am 
Considering there are also plans for custom player models, this all would make Rising World a promising new platform for otakus and furries to make those silly VR videos that are, for some reason, weirdly fun to watch.

I personally have nothing against those, despite thinking they are not the most brilliant use of technology and personal time. But the important is: If this helps selling and promoting the game, then may this happens as soon as possible!
ArcticuKitsu Oct 12, 2022 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by gustavo.etch:
Considering there are also plans for custom player models, this all would make Rising World a promising new platform for otakus and furries to make those silly VR videos that are, for some reason, weirdly fun to watch.

Hopefully there are plans. Red51 noted he wanted to get the main stuff done first to then "try" to implement what was strongly suggested through modding, NPC changes, etc. I hope he understands VRoid stuff much better on the tail end of the updates allowing us greater customization on the player, NPC, and object side of things. He appeared to be a bit confused, though hope he figures something out on one of his "rainy" days or something. It's something genuinely worthwhile to tap into. It may be hijacked by weird people, it's however something Rising World needs to tap into (Pixiv booth and Vroid stuff).

Check out PIXIV booth side of things, it has a wide selection of stuff. If able, even from VKET. It gives you a wide range of selections to choose from the things you desire. Avatars, furniture, homes, etc.

I'm fully into Anime, I however hate furries for not having any elegance, nor dignity. They angered me in Tower Unite while hijacking everything in VRChat. Once people become furries they seem to lose any sense of dignity. You can see they lose their sense of humanity seeing them willingly dig into dumpsters, etc. I tried to be open minded. Sadly, anime also tends to be hijacked by western arrogant folks also, even censored by the easily offended (or attempted to be censored). I simply love anime for how deep anime goes, how expressive, fun and how it fills whatever North Americans (& corrupted Europeans) are afraid of. Both media and the Youtube side of things. There have indeed been nice moments in VRchat videos, etc. They're mainly from the Japanese side though. Any fond memories tend to come from Japan again. Everything North American relating to VR and VRChat is stuck in the past of 2017-2019. RIP. (Nagzz21, etc)

I personally have nothing against those, despite thinking they are not the most brilliant use of technology and personal time. But the important is: If this helps selling and promoting the game, then may this happens as soon as possible!

What helps to sell VR is the simple fun factor. We now live in a time of - "no fun allowed" - needing to tap back into our basic fun side of things. Basically what Nintendo aims for in simplicity is what also tends to make VR work most of the time. When people actually wanted to hang out we had the most fun possible. Sadly people became politically corrupted causing people to fade out. It was more about being fake-trans, furries, and just trying to inject politics and hate when possible causing people to move on. I moved on from Nagzz VRC group to 'Midnight Haven' still finding a few people desiring fun. You still have people shunning you (ignoring you), it's still fun when you find those still seeking to have basic fun.

The whole fun of VR is keeping things basic while making everything feel like a dream. Gesturing in VR allowing you to do more than you could in 'desktop mode'. When I dream of VRChat, I dream in nostalgic ways. The gatherings we had. The worlds, the music. Only things you can experience in VR. The fun gatherings, adventures. The fun times. And of course, VR is awesome when we can VR gimmick and pose our way around by grabbing things, posture/gesture, etc. Holding a gun as you would IRL, or gesture eating. Bonelab is also a nice game showing how VR games should be handled with freedom, gestures, and customization. Bonelab seems to be too much for my computer, it's however fun when I can inch my way from zone to zone.

The fear of coming up against a walking skeleton sure is surreal in VR. Same with horror genre type games and atmosphere. You just can't experience the same aura/atmosphere in desktop mode. Nothing beats a dream-like experience in VR though.

(Edit: constant typo edits)
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gustavo.etch Oct 12, 2022 @ 3:52pm 
Originally posted by ArcticuKitsu:
Originally posted by gustavo.etch:
Considering there are also plans for custom player models, this all would make Rising World a promising new platform for otakus and furries to make those silly VR videos that are, for some reason, weirdly fun to watch.

Hopefully there are plans. Red51 noted he wanted to get the main stuff done first to then "try" to implement what was strongly suggested through modding, NPC changes, etc. I hope he understands VRoid stuff much better on the tail end of the updates allowing us greater customization on the player, NPC, and object side of things. He appeared to be a bit confused, though hope he figures something out on one of his "rainy" days or something. It's something genuinely worthwhile to tap into. It may be hijacked by weird people, it's however something Rising World needs to tap into (Pixiv booth and Vroid stuff).

Check out PIXIV booth side of things, it has a wide selection of stuff. If able, even from VKET. It gives you a wide range of selections to choose from the things you desire. Avatars, furniture, homes, etc.

I'm fully into Anime, I however hate furries for not having any elegance, nor dignity. They angered me in Tower Unite while hijacking everything in VRChat. Once people become furries they seem to lose any sense of dignity. You can see they lose their sense of humanity seeing them willingly dig into dumpsters, etc. I tried to be open minded. Sadly, anime also tends to be hijacked by western arrogant folks also, even censored by the easily offended (or attempted to be censored). I simply love anime for how deep anime goes, how expressive, fun and how it fills whatever North Americans (& corrupted Europeans) are afraid of. Both media and the Youtube side of things. There have indeed been nice moments in VRchat videos, etc. They're mainly from the Japanese side though. Any fond memories tend to come from Japan again. Everything North American relating to VR and VRChat is stuck in the past of 2017-2019. RIP. (Nagzz21, etc)

I personally have nothing against those, despite thinking they are not the most brilliant use of technology and personal time. But the important is: If this helps selling and promoting the game, then may this happens as soon as possible!

What helps to sell VR is the simple fun factor. We now live in a time of - "no fun allowed" - needing to tap back into our basic fun side of things. Basically what Nintendo aims for in simplicity is what also tends to make VR work most of the time. When people actually wanted to hang out we had the most fun possible. Sadly people became politically corrupted causing people to fade out. It was more about being fake-trans, furries, and just trying to inject politics and hate when possible causing people to move on. I moved on from Nagzz VRC group to 'Midnight Haven' still finding a few people desiring fun. You still have people shunning you (ignoring you), it's still fun when you find those still seeking to have basic fun.

The whole fun of VR is keeping things basic while making everything feel like a dream. Gesturing in VR allowing you to do more than you could in 'desktop mode'. When I dream of VRChat, I dream in nostalgic ways. The gatherings we had. The worlds, the music. Only things you can experience in VR. The fun gatherings, adventures. The fun times. And of course, VR is awesome when we can VR gimmick and pose our way around by grabbing things, posture/gesture, etc. Holding a gun as you would IRL, or gesture eating. Bonelab is also a nice game showing how VR games should be handled with freedom, gestures, and customization. Bonelab seems to be too much for my computer, it's however fun when I can inch my way from zone to zone.

The fear of coming up against a walking skeleton sure is surreal in VR. Same with horror genre type games and atmosphere. You just can't experience the same aura/atmosphere in desktop mode. Nothing beats a dream-like experience in VR though.

(Edit: constant typo edits)

I see your point here. Well, I have no clue what experiences you witnessed, so I won't judge, but I just think it is a little unnecessary to condemn fandoms and nations in public like this. After all, the internet is a little too volatile nowadays, so let's not fan the flames of hate.
ArcticuKitsu Oct 12, 2022 @ 8:00pm 
Originally posted by Draven Crow:
In good time but foundational stuff comes first.

Arc, this seems to confirm the real future is full of people gathering to their own group, club, faction or so where the only peace is on an understanding founded by a truce, the narrative we get from Starfield, and people will remain seated there until worse comes to worst.

People who like fun are now in a club of their own, its not as universal as we think, everyone after all has their own fun. The only people who share fun are teens in my experience.

I wasn't pushing for VR to be inserted, I was only working off of what you guys noted. I noted my experiences, such experiences which tend to get misunderstood. Same with what I've noted for Steam Deck.

What you're saying is "tribal mentality", or "mob mentality", where people hang out with like-minded folks, etc. I do agree with that, but I also have seen the wrong grouping of people try to kill games because of faux-politics belief, etc. On top of faux-poltical POVs, VRChat had people review bomb VRC for a security update. People want to be heard in a world where if you ignore people they tantrum for being ignored. I just get annoyed people forgot how to simply be human.

I feel certain things were lost in context so I'll just give up on what I was quoting you on and move on to gustavo.

Originally posted by gustavo.etch:
I see your point here. Well, I have no clue what experiences you witnessed, so I won't judge, but I just think it is a little unnecessary to condemn fandoms and nations in public like this. After all, the internet is a little too volatile nowadays, so let's not fan the flames of hate.

I'm not trying to flaunt, or anything. I've edited my posting around 20-30 times trying to make sure its fluid, coherent and etc while on my phone (at the time) before heading off to work. I won't "condemn" certain groups if I didn't have to, certain people ended up destroying games, media, anime, western media, and everything to the point you have to keep notes on what people had done. It's so bad that there are people (even in this community) assuming they're allegedly doing "the right thing" unaware they're also destroying the things they enjoy. Western media entertainment, etc. They're even trying to kill VR and VRChat for very absurd and tribal reasonings. Or behaving stupidly, as in both games I mentioned. Even here in the RW area.

ResetEra, most furries, fake trans, people witch hunting lewd games & "loli games", people attacking anime games. It's just bad out there. People even tried canceling Rising World after getting an egoistical high after attacking the developer from 'Blockscape' and every other indie gaming forum area on Steam. People were review bombing almost every indie game around 2015-2016 timeframe.

Then there is the Japanese (and Asian communities) mostly giving the true hobby experience when it comes to VTubers, VR experience, and etc. Chinese side is still stuck in infighting (national corruption mindset), they are however learning when on a more performance related areas such as mobages, VR headsets (Pico 1-4 headsets), and DJ Drones, now something that's blackslisted in USA. North Americans (and Europeans) were fine in the 2017-2019 era, then it all went down hill everywhere because everything has to be political and American. Even the European Furry side of things is corrupted, or appears to be. Just can't have fun anymore.

But yeah, when it comes to VR everything is just "better" when people stay true to themselves instead of following the weird 'faux-politics' to the point I had to fight with them a few times in this community, Discord group, and elsewhere. :ALdrinkemoji: I can wait for Rising World to obtain VR support, I just hope it'll at least be enjoyable enough to the point of VRChat and Bonelab's style of interaction and 'gimmicks' allowing for a "dream-like" experience. I'll wait and see on that.

When you see what I have seen you'll see why I'm behaving the way I do; Saying what I do. And I feel everything got lost in context again. Of course it would. Nobody wants to look into Vroid or Pixiv's Booth shop, only comment about the "condemning" part of certain groups. Maybe acknowledge that certain things were checked out.:ALgrrremoji:
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ArcticuKitsu Oct 12, 2022 @ 11:43pm 
Originally posted by Draven Crow:
Regardless the darkness, Arc, it will pass as it has done in times before. Such times rarely last long. I'm not sure how it is there or so but I've seen bad and good times as have countless peoples before me long ago. VR will have its audience like gaming and rock'n'roll, that's how it is.

I'm annoyed by this with how generic it sounds.

My original intention was to note how awesome VR is, how dreamlike it can be when done right. The amount of memories I've made with various folks; the amount of images taken. When I was able to VR I always had the most fun with people ha ging around, even recalling various BGMs in various VRChat worlds. The best times those were.

I even had good times in Tower Unite whenever Furries were MIA. I was able to do my thing, without issues, enjoying the games for games. Some people were vocal, it was still a game. I even tolerated the furries until one or a few set me off. The more it haopens the worse it gets. Anime stuff is a nice bonus. It's however a shame I'm now seeing furry stuff tied to politics ruining things that would either be more interesting. If I could I'd share more VRchat related images on here instead. One example is the whole bird feeding things in VRChat when it comes to "corruption". Anime stuff is just more "creative", I guess for a lack of better generalization/label.

Maybe on the flip side I'll make a VRChat album on Flickr or something, even if it'd a fraction of the images I've taken. It's most likely 30 gbs worth of images with a small fraction of that on Flickr. VR is fun when enjoyed at its natural roots in human biology.

I could say the same for Rising World once we get a jukebox going. Speakers, audio api plugins, etc. Could loosely emulate VRChat in Rising World, if Red51 and ourselves so desire. It be fairly easy to get a bubble of VRChat in Rising World, just not fully. There is a way to use WIDAR app to pretend certain parts are VRChat styled into Rising World as scenery using objects.

I'll sure things may get taken out of context again. We'll see. This is reminding me I need another trip in VRChat. I've been desiring it for the past few weeks. :ALdrinkemoji:
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ArcticuKitsu Oct 13, 2022 @ 11:52am 
Originally posted by Draven Crow:
We all do need therapy at times, listening to some metal music has often been mine.

Woosh. I've mentioned positive stuff which went ignored. Just put on a vr headset then you shall see about dreamlike experiences. Any comments about plugins or are we gonna post generic posts?

Again, I can't wait for plugin api to tie in with Widar and vr support. Rising World has vast potential. It can loosely do what VRChat is able to do, with music and atmosphere.
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Nanaki Oct 13, 2022 @ 1:33pm 
Originally posted by Draven Crow:
Well I haven't had the same level of VR experience so... Better I simply delete my comments.

You are as much part of the convo as everyone else bud :)

Just been enjoying Bonelab, sequal to Boneworks, both I recommend. VR is another medium, some folks are right, there is an atmosphere and immersion that just doesn't happen with the usual desktop/console game.
ArcticuKitsu Oct 14, 2022 @ 10:21am 
I see some hidden/deleted postings. I hope I didn't scare anyone, it's just.... I wish we could actually connect on a better level.

So, something that VRChat does well is something that I can see Rising World tapping into in various ways, if Red51 can get a proper system going. No rush, I'm only noting this for those that can comprehend the details and can actually grasp what I'm sharing. If we're going to be bringing up VR then I suggest looking at the following video to show you what Rising World is capable of, most especially in the VR side of things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtSevm1D3dc

6) Waves *
5) Kazahana Peak **
4) The Onsen Spring
3) Serenity Cove
2) Rainy Road ***
1) London Solitude ****

* When I first got my new Valve Index this world was the first one I jumped into meeting my Busou Shinki friend, Halcon. We met here loving the vibe of this simple world. I love it. I'm glad I can now go back here for old time sake. Nostalgia. Rising World can tap into this, easily! Place a few roads, place a few signs, surround it with water (or place land in water) and you have this exact mood in Rising World.

** I actually ventured to this world finding it fairly familiar. Even if people love to sideline me, etc, I still admire these worlds. I took pictures here, I explored it. It even reminds me of a similar world allowing you to feed deer. This world is perfect for the upcoming winter season (as of this posting). I use a Japanese avatar (robotic fox spirit) fitting this winter world well. This can be fairly easily replicated in Rising World by building in a snowy biome with mountains. I already have a torii gate, I simply need a bridge and other structures.

*** Rainy Road is a world I may have not actually visited, though have visited many other similar "motion" worlds. Many train types, vehicle types, and jump car driving in the middle of the night types. These worlds are small, yet comfy. They're aimed at for a simple chat. Once we get vehicles, or plugin our vehicles back into custom vehicles, we can replicate this loosely in some way. It may not be exact, it can be done with a proper will and motivation.

**** London Solitude is another world I have visited (as with its various counterparts and variations). I've taken numerous images, hung out with folks, and just admired taking in the scenery. This is something we could easily replicate in Rising World once we build urban structures, place furniture, and just admire the view.

What makes VRChat more atmospheric, atmospheric, and "dream-like" is even the "peaceful" music, such as this one. Choose whatever music, I'm tuned into what I first experienced from 2017 onwards with the below video. When I think VR, VRChat, I think of the below music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeBEwUkMQUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1d-1hPuao

With the music/jukebox plugin we can easily tune into this, or even our own. Metal music was noted, you can do that to in Rising World, especially in VR, once Red51 allows us access to VR mode. Whatever your musical genre you can place it into Rising World, even in Java mode currently. Java version allows you to have fun musically, at the least. Unity has to catch up.

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I know I knocked on furries, and I do dislike them for how they negatively present themselves. This guy in the video does a professional job and I do respect that. I wish they were more dignified in such a manner. More of that, less about faux-political nonsense as I've seen in Tower Unite and in Rising World. I'm even happy the guy even mentioned worlds I had previously visited, mentioning them in the video. There are many more to make note of, especially for Rising World's sake. We could create those bubbles, especially in a more open world setting. Desktop mode, yet more powerfully in VR Mode (if given the proper movement system). The world is whatever you make of it.

I admire VRChat, and I can see various things noted in the video carrying over into Rising World, again with WIDAR, Plugin API, and the way Red51 could potentially shift and shape the world generation. Rising World has this potential that VRChat has when it comes to scenery, object importing, and character model customization (VRoid, etc). People even have scanned 3D Scenery (photogrammetry), something we can inject into Rising World in various ways (if allowed), then view in VR Mode (or simply in desktop mode). I'm now curious if there are any serious people out there seeing the same potential as I do in Rising World when it comes to making a small bubble in Rising World for what makes VR fun in VRChat & Bonelabs. Not just that, many other things. It's all in Red51's hands, and even us.

With Rising World we can export into VRChat and vice-versa. I saw mention we could turn our blueprints into .obj files to which we can advertise them on VRChat and even vice-versa, back into Rising World. With the attachment of WIDAR app we can scan for both games.

I know I'm not supposed to mention VRChat, my justification for that is to draw comparisons showing what Rising World is capable of. I can see it, I even see the potential when Red51 lays out his plans. When he makes various posts mentioning something I can see another door of possibilities opening, probably to his dismay wanting to get the features implemented first. When modders care I can see so much potential in Rising World, hence why I'm here. I'm just hoping I can find willing and capable hands willing and helpful in pushing things forward once Red51 places the necessary foundations. :ALdrinkemoji:
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