Short lightsabers

[red255]

Game allows for Lightsabers, double bladed lightsabers and short lightsabers.
I'm not really sure what situations a Short lightsaber would want to be used.
a Double bladed lightsaber is 'balanced' in the offhand are allows you to use your best crystals.

the only thing the short really has going for it, is it looks cooler and has a higher critical threat rating.

I made it to near the endgame and checked out my options. considered having DAMAGE in my main hand and force regeneration in my offhand but the force regeneration is Mantle of the force which means my Solari crystal couldn't be used in my damage weapon for massive damage.

Basically with a Double bladed lightsaber looked like my best options were 17-47 damage +2-12 v darkside with 34/36 attack. and +6 blaster bolt deflection with a double bladed lightsaber.

maybe if I wanted to do a critical strike build? but would that even work for damage?

what I'm asking is what really is the purpose of the short lightsaber? and would you ever want to use one?

[CrackeR]

Short lightsabers are equipped in the offhand when you use dual LS's to offset the penalty for dual weilding. Equipped with Krayt and Upari enhancing crystals for most dmg...

[Ragnarök]

Two lightsabers means double the crystals, and double the utility potentially. As said above shorts are balanced so you suffer no to-hit penalties when using one in the offhand.

[red255]

So. given we are dual wielding as stated.

options are 1 double bladed lightsaber and 1 lightsaber and 1 short lightsaber.

when would we want to use the short lightsaber.

keeping in mind the double bladed lightsaber is BALANCED so posting it as an answer is not valid for why the short lightsaber is better than a double bladed lightsaber.

its more asking what setup or crystal combination makes the short lightsaber double saber setup valid.

It works in KOTOR 2 because you can have the CHARNAME crystal on one hand boosting stats and the other hand being damage or something. but I'm asking for KOTOR, and when in gameplay this comes about.

for the vast majority of KOTOR I was low on decent crystals. the double bladed lightsaber allowed me to use my two best crystals in both hands. I didn't really see any valid reason to ever use a short lightsaber in KOTOR 1.

But I recall when I played this game years ago I never used the double bladed lightsabers and I think I ran the numbers somehow to support that.

[Ragnarök]

Using Heart of the Guardian and Mantle of the Force simultaneously is the big one. I don't remember the stats exactly, but Mantle at least can buff Force Regen to a high level with other crystals which is useful if you're a caster. Or you could have the off-hand sber dedicated to stunning. As I said, it's not about dps on the saber, it's about utility.

Overall, I was never particularily satisfied with how lightsabers were handled in d20. For starters, none should be doing any more base damage than the others unless other crystals are applied. Balanced properly, it should have looked like: Double Saber = 2 attacks per round, Single Saber = best chance to-hit and 2 Sabers = best defensive bonus and deflection rate. But I digress.

[red255]

http://www.gamebanshee.com/starwarskotor/sabercrystalsguide.php

According to thing one. Force Regen doesn't actually do anything. or Maybe it does in 1.03.

Best crystals are Solari and Upari.

So if I stick a short lightsaber with Mantle of the force for force regen

heart of the guardian in the main hand for 'damage'

Solari is 1d10 Upari is 2d6 with 6 Attack between them. 3-22 damage added. 12.5 average

MotF main hand for damage is AB 4+2 damage 1d8+2d6+1d8 4-28 added damage 16 added damage.

I suppose its not a HUGE hit to the main hand to do that. its the off hand that suffers dramatically from the loss of damage.

Still would think casters would, you know... cast with a single saber. and not dual wield.

[Ragnarök]

Regen is fixed in 1.03, which is what everyone plays on now.

Personally, I'm not a min-maxer, so don't even use the unique color crystals often, I also think Solari is somewhat overrated because very few enemies in the game are actually tagged as Dark Side in the files, making the bonus incredibly situational. The added AB is okay I guess, but to-hit is never a problem for the class I favor. Usually I find myself going with Opila and Sigil until the Upari is available. I like seeing big spikes every now and then, even if the average is lowered. It's a nice little morale boost.

[red255]

I generally do Tatoinne first because mission's quest directs you there and you can farm hulak wraids for XP very easily

So my saber is generally a Krapt Dragon pearl and a sigil. and its usually a double bladed saber because I just don't have enough crystals to warrant two crystals

[Ragnarök]

I'm a single-saber user most often. I like the added defense from master dueling and also the added AB for that matter.

[red255]

thats with modifiers including strength. End of the game I've got 33 strength with master valor active. +4 Genoharadan strength gloves, +2 CNS strength enhancer +3 light side mastery, its a double bladed lightsaber with upari, solari and mantle of the force
+2 lightsaber specialization (i'm a jedi guardian obviously)

I also took the heart of the guardian and stuck a firkaan and a Luxum in a double bladed saber for robots.

[Repo]

a short blade is for blocking and thrusting after parry,.. it is easier to wield in your off hand, they took this fact from real world swordplay... the game uses D&D rule sets.

[red255]

Again. Love Kraft, numbers standpoint, there is no instance where a short lightsaber in the offhand is advantageous over a double bladed lightsaber. critical strike doesn't seem to stack with master force speed

[Simple Kind of Man]

Originally posted by red255:

Again. Love Kraft, numbers standpoint, there is no instance where a short lightsaber in the offhand is advantageous over a double bladed lightsaber. critical strike doesn't seem to stack with master force speed

you come off like a ♥♥♥♥...just saying

but if you would look its been said and i will say it "Again" its all about having 2 more crystals
P.S. meta gaming in a RPG is just sad

[red255]

Yeah well, not really into getting opinions on whether or not I'm a Richard from you. No Idea why you decided that was the thing you chose to add the the topic.

The thing with crystals is there are only so many of them in the game. and they mostly just add attack and damage.

So just going 'MORE CRYSTALS" = Good. there needs to be an exact point in the game where these MORE crystals will give you more of an advantage numbers wise. and they don't.

at least not in terms of the obvious attack and damage.

if the answer is they just look cooler, I don't see it but if thats what you want fine.

[Simple Kind of Man]

Originally posted by red255:

Yeah well, not really into getting opinions on whether or not I'm a Richard from you. No Idea why you decided that was the thing you chose to add the the topic.

The thing with crystals is there are only so many of them in the game. and they mostly just add attack and damage.

So just going 'MORE CRYSTALS" = Good. there needs to be an exact point in the game where these MORE crystals will give you more of an advantage numbers wise. and they don't.

at least not in terms of the obvious attack and damage.

if the answer is they just look cooler, I don't see it but if thats what you want fine.

why did you ask... if all your going to do is say nope to everything....your a joke and a ♥♥♥♥
but plz go on with your foolish meta gaming in an RPG
this is steam no one cares if your "into getting opinons" your going to get them anyway ;)

[red255]

I asked in case there was something I was missing.

the Nopes are only for wrong answers. if you don't want nopes, provide an answer that isn't objectively wrong.