"Updates" are Disney saying we cannot play with mods anymore

[Vennek]

imgur.com/a/QduJPgd

That's what the updates are, it's modification attempts by Disney on this twenty year old game we already agreed to a different end user agreement with, and with a different company, at time of purchase. It's a contract of adhesion. They say we can't play the game if we don't agree to their new terms, which they can't do. They also say we're not allowed to play with mods.

[AC Denton]

Originally posted by Vennek:

They say we can't play the game if we don't agree to their new terms, which they can't do.

Except they're doing it.
You're more than welcome to sue Disney and face off against their legal department and dozen or so high paid lawyers.

[Vennek]

I didn't buy this game from Disney. It's a twenty year old game. They can't tack on a phonebook-length contract modification I have to agree to or I can't play the game I already own.

[Target]

Source "trust me bro"

[Jeffer'son Airship]

A lot of EULAs have lines like that and it's more about cheating in MP or reverse engineering the game for another commercial product.

Disney doesn't care what you do on your own computer if it won't affect their bottom line.

[クズハモン]

Whoa, it's almost as if you don't actually own your games and pay a license for them and can be modified or changed at anytime?!?!?

[Vennek]

Disney wasn't party to me buying the game when I bought it. They have no place putting a contract in front of me telling me if I don't agree to their terms that I can't play the game I've been playing the way I want to play it.

If Disney can step in for LucasArts and just add whatever terms they want, then I can resell the game for my profit that they claim as their IP to other people and those other people can stand in for me.

[クズハモン]

Originally posted by Vennek:

Disney wasn't party to me buying the game when I bought it. They have no place putting a contract in front of me telling me if I don't agree to their terms that I can't play the game I've been playing the way I want to play it

Here's the thing...they can
you don't own the game, you bought a license for the game, if disney decided they wanted update it to stop people from buying and playing this game, then they can and there's nothing you can do about it

[Ragnarök]

Much ado about nothing. The game is the exact same as it was in 2007 when it came to Steam, and that version is the same as the one that released retail in 2003. No provision was made to detect any changes to the files when the EULA was changed, ergo Disney does not actually care about mods, they just don't want you ripping off their assets and making a new game out of them. The EULA is a catch-all that prevents legitimate thieves from claiming "It's just a mod bro." if it ever went to court. After they had to send a C&D to the fools in Apeiron, I don't blame them for changing it.

That paranoid about it? Buy a used retail copy for 15 bucks on Amazon. Literally nothing they could do.

Incidentally, I didn't get any recent updates. If I did and they were minor (~60kb) like people are claiming, I'd assume it's something to do with Steam's interface integration.

[Vennek]

So, in the words of Darth Vader, twenty years after KOTOR's release, even though Disney was no party to my purchase of the game, "I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further."

[Vennek]

I own the game on disc. Bought it before I used Steam. Unfortunately installation isn't always quite as smooth and you have to hack it to let you play without keeping Disc 1 of 4 in the DVD drive. How many computers today even have disc drives? Not mine currently.

Disney can take their illegally proposed heavyhanded alteration proposal and insert it into a bantha the hard way. Don't they have conservative actors they should be hunting down and firing for stuff they said on their free time anyway? I mean, I know Disney employees like to insult their fan base but this is a new low for them.

[クズハモン]

Why are you people so addicted to trying to find things to get mad about?

[Vennek]

Because if you remain a go-with-the-flow person you will find out someone else is directing the flow you're swept along by and that at the end it leads right down the sewer?

This is about Disney trying to change the deal twenty years later for a game I didn't buy from them. This isn't about your bias toward those who don't share your politics.

Stay on topic.

[Ragnarök]

Imagine voluntarily giving up physical media and then complaining about corpo. policy on a digital storefront. CD/DVD drives are not some inscrutable, arcane devices. They're dirt cheap and no classic PC gamer worth his salt should be without one. I own the game both on Steam and retail.

Disney: "Bad news!"
Me: "What?"
Disney: "Your KotOR licence has been revoked."
Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnyBJJI2eqs

By the by, the same terms exist for KotOR II, a game with integrated workshop support for modding. It's absurd to think they'd care about any of this.

[Capt. Carrot]

no they are not. If that was the case then the Steam Workshop for KOTOR II would have been disappeared and it is still there,

i have actually READ the EULA and there is NOTHING in the EULA that states 3rd party mods are no longer compatible with the game and i have booted the game and the 3rd party mods i use ARE STILL THERE and woirking.

[Vennek]

I don't know how to upload photos to a post here. I checked the list of HTML-like commands and there wasn't one for including photos in a post. That's why the first post in this thread contains a link to an imgur album which contains just two photos, two screenshots, of the Disney updated EULA, one of them being the admonition about not altering "their" code.