speech checks. are they dice rolls or hard thresholds?

[Hillbilly_Dave]

Are speech checks dice rolls or is it a strict value thing?

Like, as an example of a roll, would it be 1d6 + Persuade Skill + Charisma Modifier vs difficulty

or would it be a hard value, like Persuade Skill + Charisma Modifier vs difficulty

If it's the latter method then can try a million times and never succed, but if it's the former then it might be possible to pass the check with a bit of luck.

The reason I ask is I'm at a point where I really need to make a speech check but I'm not sure if it's even possible for my character. He only has Persuade 9 with no Charisma bonus but the alternative to the speech check is to do something very out of character and I really don't want to have to do that unless I have no choice.

[Brick]

So you consider Affect/dominate mind out of character?

[Hillbilly_Dave]

Not an option. If I could I'd do it. I have the abilities but no Force Persuade options are given. It's after the Star Map tomb on Koriban. If you kill both Yathura and Uthar you're confronted at the entrance to the academy about the location of Uthar and your only persuasion options are normal persuade attempts. Tell them you're revan (because I waited for Korriban till last) or tell them you have no idea what they're talking about. I'm playing Dark side so I want to kill both Yathura and Uthar (I tried to help Yathura and she turned on me, so I tried to just kill her but Uthar turns on me because I didn't warn him about her). The only way to avoid the confrontation at the doors is to leave one of them alive, but at this point my only option for that is to kill Uthar then spare Yathura when she yields after I kick her teeth in, which nets me a considerable amount of light side points and is out of character. If I kill her, I'm not passing this check and end up having to kill everyone in the academy and I don't want to do that for RP reasons. I plan to retake command of the sith and don't want my academy empty.

[Brick]

Originally posted by Hillbilly_Dave:

Not an option. If I could I'd do it. I have the abilities but no Force Persuade options are given. It's after the Star Map tomb on Koriban. If you kill both Yathura and Uthar you're confronted at the entrance to the academy about the location of Uthar and your only persuasion options are normal persuade attempts. Tell them you're revan (because I waited for Korriban till last) or tell them you have no idea what they're talking about. I'm playing Dark side so I want to kill both Yathura and Uthar (I tried to help Yathura and she turned on me, so I tried to just kill her but Uthar turns on me because I didn't warn him about her). The only way to avoid the confrontation at the doors is to leave one of them alive, but at this point my only option for that is to kill Uthar then spare Yathura when she yields after I kick her teeth in, which nets me a considerable amount of light side points and is out of character. If I kill her, I'm not passing this check and end up having to kill everyone in the academy and I don't want to do that for RP reasons. I plan to retake command of the sith and don't want my academy empty.

I've had this problem too when I was playing a dark side consular, I had to spare Yuthura in the end tho because I had already poisoned Uthar and it was my first planet so I couldn't take the whole academy on. It was kind of a bummer for RP reasons but at least I got my DS points back very soon after.

[Hillbilly_Dave]

I had actually posted this question on Reddit as well and got some interesting answers there. First, it's not even possible to pass these speech checks at all. There are no success dialogues in the tree (someone looked it up in the files and showed me a screencap of the tree). Second, it's possible to simply hug the right walls and walk around those three sith and get inside the academy, at which point everyone inside acts like it's business as usual. Crisis averted lol.

[delta]

Don't know much about the mechanics behind the game, but I'm pretty sure it's a dice roll right? Because I've failed persuade attempts, only to try it again and have it succeed the second time.

[Ragnarök]

If you've killed both masters it's impossible to avoid that fight. It simply isn't an option to do so.

Killing both of them means you've declared for neutral evil and the rest of the Sith won't tolerate that. They didn't witness what transpired in the tomb and they don't have any real reason to believe you were responsible for their demise. Uthar and Yathura could have simply killed each other while you sat back and watched for all the other students know. It's not enough to make them bow to your will.

Siding with Uthar is what you want to do if you want to take control of the academy which would be the lawful evil option. He'll acknowledge your legitimacy after you've killed Yathura and the academy will remain in his charge.

[Hillbilly_Dave]

Originally posted by Ragnarök:

Siding with Uthar is what you want to do if you want to take control of the academy which would be the lawful evil option. He'll acknowledge your legitimacy after you've killed Yathura and the academy will remain in his charge.

I'll try to remember that if I go through it again (already finished the game name) but I did find that you can walk around those 3 sith at the door and just not deal with them at all, which keeps everyone inside friendly.