Beerus vs Omega Shenron

[「Lunetta」]

¿Any chance?

[13ossloaf]

Is SSG even really a transformation. After he turns into it All of his other forms inlcuding his base one are all as strong as it. How strong would that make SS4?

[GrandMajora]

Hey, if you have a problem, take it up with the people who print out the information on the series, instead of just what you as a fan want to believe.

Maybe the fact that they didn't have their tails at the time of acquiring those Super Saiyans, so couldn't access ss4?

[Patricia Hapon]

Whoa, all that just from Beerus vs Omega ?

Even more when you know that Beerus never lost and Omega ... Well, like lot of bad guys just got spirit bombed to death ?

So, it's simple, Beerus is stronger because he wasn't killed by the same thing that killed kid buu. That's all.

Also, for those who don't remember, fusion isn't just an addition, it actually make the result stronger than just both the guys. Fusion with the potaras is even stronger, meaning that SSJ4 wasn't enough at all against Omega.

[Null Nightly]

Also people tend to forget that GT Goku was as strong as Uub BEFORE he recombined with Majin Buu and became Majuub and regained the full power of Kid Buu. Not to mention he trained under GT Goku.

Oh and here:
Omega Shenron - Power level: 1,900,000,000
Super Saiyan God Goku - Power Level: Over 1,500,000,000
Beerus - Power Level: Over 2,500,000,000
Whis - Power Level: Over 3,750,000,000

[Tyrannosaurus Hex]

Beerus was shown to be immune to damage from regular Ki, whereas Omega Shenron lost to Spirit Bomb. Ergo, Beerus > Omega Shenron.

Also, the whole Base GT Goku = Kid Buu thing isn't really legitimate because GT makes no effort to be coherent in power scale and just makes Goku a power sue. Base Kid Goku is stronger than SSj1 Goten and SSj2 Gohan?

Riiiight....

Might I add that Goku says in a deleted scene even if he fused with Vegeta to form Gogeta they wouldn't be able to beat Beerus?

[iZN]

Moysey89 eredeti hozzászólása:

something i realised by watching the battle of gods films is that videl [gohans wife] says she is pregnant with a boy saiyan, si if that is the case, wont that sorta break GT?? cause as we all know in gt they have a daughter called pan and no son.

did you even watched the last episode of Dragon Ball Z? and please re-watch that movie too since you're deaf to hear that they never said they're going to have a son or daughter, she just said she's pregnant.

[Event Horizon]

goldensun9 eredeti hozzászólása:

Beerus was shown to be immune to damage from regular Ki, whereas Omega Shenron lost to Spirit Bomb. Ergo, Beerus > Omega Shenron.

Also, the whole Base GT Goku = Kid Buu thing isn't really legitimate because GT makes no effort to be coherent in power scale and just makes Goku a power sue. Base Kid Goku is stronger than SSj1 Goten and SSj2 Gohan?

Riiiight....

Might I add that Goku says in a deleted scene even if he fused with Vegeta to form Gogeta they wouldn't be able to beat Beerus?

How is Beerus immune? lol SSJ2 Vegeta, while enraged made Beerus bleed. He obviously wasn't immune, he was simply way too strong.
What makes you think Gogeta from Battle of Gods would be just as strong as Gogeta from GT?

People underestimate GT immensily here. GT is the most haxed product in the entire series.
Allow me to show you exactly how haxed it truly is through power scaling from the series.

SSJ4 Gogeta >>>>>>>>> Super Yi Xing Long >>>>>>>>>> Yi Xing Long >>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Saga) >>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) >>>>>>>>>> SSJ Goku (Super 17 Saga) > SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>>>>>> Super Bebi Vegeta 2 > Super Oob >> Super Bebi Vegeta 1 > SSJ Vegetto >> Bebi Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>>>> SSJ Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>> Rilld > Gohan-Boo

Base Goku in beginning of the GT Bebi Saga is about as strong as Super Boo with Ultimate Gohan Absorbed.
Base Goku from Battle of Gods is still weaker than Freeza, as stated by Beerus.

The SSJ God power-up is obviously way bigger than any other transformation, but the power gap between BoG and late GT is simply way too big, due to the crazy hax.

Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenron) finger flicks Beerus and Whis out of existence at the same time.

[Igris]

goldensun9 eredeti hozzászólása:

Beerus was shown to be immune to damage from regular Ki, whereas Omega Shenron lost to Spirit Bomb. Ergo, Beerus > Omega Shenron.

Also, the whole Base GT Goku = Kid Buu thing isn't really legitimate because GT makes no effort to be coherent in power scale and just makes Goku a power sue. Base Kid Goku is stronger than SSj1 Goten and SSj2 Gohan?

Riiiight....

Might I add that Goku says in a deleted scene even if he fused with Vegeta to form Gogeta they wouldn't be able to beat Beerus?

not realy a deleted scene, it's from the extended version of BOG.

GT isn't canon in the first place, toriyama said it's nothing more then a side story unrelated to DBZ.

god ki is superior to normal ki, so yeah beerus would spank omega into oblivion.

[Igris]

Event Horizon eredeti hozzászólása:

How is Beerus immune? lol SSJ2 Vegeta, while enraged made Beerus bleed. He obviously wasn't immune, he was simply way too strong.
What makes you think Gogeta from Battle of Gods would be just as strong as Gogeta from GT?

People underestimate GT immensily here. GT is the most haxed product in the entire series.
Allow me to show you exactly how haxed it truly is through power scaling from the series.

SSJ4 Gogeta >>>>>>>>> Super Yi Xing Long >>>>>>>>>> Yi Xing Long >>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Saga) >>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) >>>>>>>>>> SSJ Goku (Super 17 Saga) > SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>>>>>> Super Bebi Vegeta 2 > Super Oob >> Super Bebi Vegeta 1 > SSJ Vegetto >> Bebi Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>>>> SSJ Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>> Rilld > Gohan-Boo

Base Goku in beginning of the GT Bebi Saga is about as strong as Super Boo with Ultimate Gohan Absorbed.
Base Goku from Battle of Gods is still weaker than Freeza, as stated by Beerus.

The SSJ God power-up is obviously way bigger than any other transformation, but the power gap between BoG and late GT is simply way too big, due to the crazy hax.

Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenron) finger flicks Beerus and Whis out of existence at the same time.

actualy people keep making the mistake that vegeta was ssj2 when he in rage attacked beerus.
this is not true, vegeta only used super saiyan + rage boost.

this is because toriyama decided to change ssj2 and ssj3 from actual transformations to just additional forms of ssj (like what ascended and ultra super saiyan where)
toriyama now made it so that a strong ssj can beat a ssj2 or ssj3 easy.

you are correct about power levels being insane in GT (but thats also because of the very bad writing that show had)

as for base goku still being below or around freeza level, this is simply because saiyans get more power with ssj then in base.

and no base gt goku (before being weakend by being turned into a kid) wasn't at buuhan level, most people place him at kid buu level (the 3rd weakest buu), and uub even after training didn't seem that impressive (but yeah gt focused too much on goku)

[Event Horizon]

Doctor Killjoy eredeti hozzászólása:

Event Horizon eredeti hozzászólása:

How is Beerus immune? lol SSJ2 Vegeta, while enraged made Beerus bleed. He obviously wasn't immune, he was simply way too strong.
What makes you think Gogeta from Battle of Gods would be just as strong as Gogeta from GT?

People underestimate GT immensily here. GT is the most haxed product in the entire series.
Allow me to show you exactly how haxed it truly is through power scaling from the series.

SSJ4 Gogeta >>>>>>>>> Super Yi Xing Long >>>>>>>>>> Yi Xing Long >>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Shadow Dragon Saga) >>>>>>>>> SSJ4 Goku (Super 17 Saga) >>>>>>>>>> SSJ Goku (Super 17 Saga) > SSJ4 Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>>>>>> Super Bebi Vegeta 2 > Super Oob >> Super Bebi Vegeta 1 > SSJ Vegetto >> Bebi Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>>>> SSJ Goku (Bebi Saga) >>>> Rilld > Gohan-Boo

Base Goku in beginning of the GT Bebi Saga is about as strong as Super Boo with Ultimate Gohan Absorbed.
Base Goku from Battle of Gods is still weaker than Freeza, as stated by Beerus.

The SSJ God power-up is obviously way bigger than any other transformation, but the power gap between BoG and late GT is simply way too big, due to the crazy hax.

Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenron) finger flicks Beerus and Whis out of existence at the same time.

actualy people keep making the mistake that vegeta was ssj2 when he in rage attacked beerus.
this is not true, vegeta only used super saiyan + rage boost.

this is because toriyama decided to change ssj2 and ssj3 from actual transformations to just additional forms of ssj (like what ascended and ultra super saiyan where)
toriyama now made it so that a strong ssj can beat a ssj2 or ssj3 easy.

you are correct about power levels being insane in GT (but thats also because of the very bad writing that show had)

as for base goku still being below or around freeza level, this is simply because saiyans get more power with ssj then in base.

and no base gt goku (before being weakend by being turned into a kid) wasn't at buuhan level, most people place him at kid buu level (the 3rd weakest buu), and uub even after training didn't seem that impressive (but yeah gt focused too much on goku)

Firstly, Goku didn't get weaker when he turned into a kid. His smaller body made it hard for him to maintain SSJ3, due to the massive strain, nothing more.

Secondly, and what most people forget. Rilld beat Gohan who was stated to have continued training between Z and GT. Only two Boo forms surpassed Gohan in Z, that's Gotenks-Absorbed Boo and Gohan-Absorbed Boo. Now in GT, Rilld is beating a stronger Gohan. So yes, Base Goku is around Gohan-Boo level.

[Officially Loko]

if normal GT Goku is the same stregnth as SSJ3 Goku in DBZ, then SSJ4 Goku would destroy SSG Goku, likewise Omega Shenron would destroy Beerus... GT to DBZ levels are way high...

[Bottom of the Well]

GT is a different universe as the game says and in that universe the charcters are probably 100x stronger than the universe we play in/watch/read about in the comics.. Soo Omega would win as it took the entire universe power to kill him. Thats like infinite power to kill him.. Beerus would be crushed by omega

[Igris]

Event Horizon eredeti hozzászólása:

Doctor Killjoy eredeti hozzászólása:

actualy people keep making the mistake that vegeta was ssj2 when he in rage attacked beerus.
this is not true, vegeta only used super saiyan + rage boost.

this is because toriyama decided to change ssj2 and ssj3 from actual transformations to just additional forms of ssj (like what ascended and ultra super saiyan where)
toriyama now made it so that a strong ssj can beat a ssj2 or ssj3 easy.

you are correct about power levels being insane in GT (but thats also because of the very bad writing that show had)

as for base goku still being below or around freeza level, this is simply because saiyans get more power with ssj then in base.

and no base gt goku (before being weakend by being turned into a kid) wasn't at buuhan level, most people place him at kid buu level (the 3rd weakest buu), and uub even after training didn't seem that impressive (but yeah gt focused too much on goku)

Firstly, Goku didn't get weaker when he turned into a kid. His smaller body made it hard for him to maintain SSJ3, due to the massive strain, nothing more.

Secondly, and what most people forget. Rilld beat Gohan who was stated to have continued training between Z and GT. Only two Boo forms surpassed Gohan in Z, that's Gotenks-Absorbed Boo and Gohan-Absorbed Boo. Now in GT, Rilld is beating a stronger Gohan. So yes, Base Goku is around Gohan-Boo level.

still funny how a random robot mook suddenly rivaled majin buu in power, another piece of bad writing on toei's part.
and gohan and train? lol just lol, he dislikes training and fighting and became a full time scholar.
how about toei forgetting that gohan had the elder kai power unlock/mystic form? nope he uses ssj again in GT.
and lets not forget vegeta who still only had ssj2, was now stronger then gohan. (well i can understand this part, he and goku keep training, while gohan does not)

but this is just the example of going overboard with power levels.
still toriyama did say god ki >>> normal ki
so beerus and whis would beat omega

[Event Horizon]

Doctor Killjoy eredeti hozzászólása:

Event Horizon eredeti hozzászólása:

Firstly, Goku didn't get weaker when he turned into a kid. His smaller body made it hard for him to maintain SSJ3, due to the massive strain, nothing more.

Secondly, and what most people forget. Rilld beat Gohan who was stated to have continued training between Z and GT. Only two Boo forms surpassed Gohan in Z, that's Gotenks-Absorbed Boo and Gohan-Absorbed Boo. Now in GT, Rilld is beating a stronger Gohan. So yes, Base Goku is around Gohan-Boo level.

still funny how a random robot mook suddenly rivaled majin buu in power, another piece of bad writing on toei's part.
and gohan and train? lol just lol, he dislikes training and fighting and became a full time scholar.
how about toei forgetting that gohan had the elder kai power unlock/mystic form? nope he uses ssj again in GT.
and lets not forget vegeta who still only had ssj2, was now stronger then gohan. (well i can understand this part, he and goku keep training, while gohan does not)

but this is just the example of going overboard with power levels.
still toriyama did say god ki >>> normal ki
so beerus and whis would beat omega

I thought people knew that Toei increased peoples power level just like that. Just look at the filler episode from DBZ where Goku could beat Ultimate Gohan by just using SSJ. Power-up out of nowhere. Toei are famous for that, and it's often referred as 'Toei hax'.

Perfect Files flatout states that Gohan hasn't neglected his training.
I'll quote GT Perfect Files;
"Gohan - He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!"

Kidnly show where Toriyama said that? Only thing noted about Godly Ki is that normal Ki users can't sense them - that's all. Androids can't be sensed either, guess they must be God tier as well. Kaioshin is also a God, yet he's piss weak. King Kai uses God Ki (he could sense Beerus approaching), yet King Kai is hardly stronger than Raditz.
You're overestimating Gods just for the sake of them being Gods. Vegeta while enraged managed to make Beerus bleed. There's no invisible shield around a Godly Ki user that prevents them from taking damage from non-Godly Ki users. lol

And in Revival of F (spoilers ahead)

Freeza, who obviously isn't a God, could stand up to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (Blue SSJ God) Goku who is basically God tier. And that's from just 4 months of traning on Freeza's part.
So a non-God ki user can definitely beat a Godly Ki user.

[Igris]

lol didn't you know, golden pimp freeza is his god form for his race.

and unofficial guide books with made up power level numbers like the daizenshuu or those gt perfect files, hardly count as accurate or reliable