Beerus vs Omega Shenron

[「Lunetta」]

¿Any chance?

[My Name Is Mud]

引用自 Pax Augusta：

If we went by typical Dragon Ball logic, everybody becomes more powerful as time passes. Thus, all GT characters would crush Z characters.

Exactly, I'n Battle of the gods Beerus makes the statement that he doesnt think goku could beat freiza in his baseform meaning Final Form Freiza > Base goku. Now in DBGT Goku can take on uub in baseform who has been stated to be as strong as kid buu meaning base goku GT = kid buu if not base goku GT > kid buu, not to mention the fact that Base kid goku kills both 17 and omega

so to get to the point this means
Goku GT > Goku Z
GT VIllians > Z Villians
Omega Shenron > beerus + whis at the same time

[GrandMajora]

Absolutely not. If Beerus can one shot super saiyan 3 and fend off Super Saiyan God with less than 70% of his power, and Whis is 5 levels higher than him, Omega Shenron could not take them on both at once, assuming he could even hold his own against one of them!


Toriyama stated that in terms of power, SSG Goku is rated a 6, while Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15. That means that Beerus was still 4 levels higher than Goku after he obtained godhood, and Whis was 9 levels higher!


For even more evidence, people have started saying that Broly is roughly equal in power to a Super Saiyan 4. If we assume that is true, Beerus would STILL be more powerful, since he is the second strongest being in the DBZ universe. Considering that SS4 smacked Shenron around like a plaything, Beerus would have no problem accomplishing the same feat.

[WalterREQUiEM]

引用自 GrandMajora：

Absolutely not. If Beerus can one shot super saiyan 3 and fend off Super Saiyan God with less than 70% of his power, and Whis is 5 levels higher than him, Omega Shenron could not take them on both at once, assuming he could even hold his own against one of them!


Toriyama stated that in terms of power, SSG Goku is rated a 6, while Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15. That means that Beerus was still 4 levels higher than Goku after he obtained godhood, and Whis was 9 levels higher!

It's been a while since I've watched GT (and to be honest the actual DBZ) But didnt Omega manage to fight off SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta with relative ease? And regardless if SSJ4 > SSJG, SSJ4 is stronger than SSJ3. I could accept Whis beating Omega, as I think the Beerus vs Omega fight would be close, but I still think that if Goku and Vegeta had to fuse into Gogeta to beat him (I know they dun goofed and they had to pull a mega spirit bomb out of Goku's ass to kill him) he's a bit stronger than Beerus.

[My Name Is Mud]

引用自 GrandMajora：

Absolutely not. If Beerus can one shot super saiyan 3 and fend off Super Saiyan God with less than 70% of his power, and Whis is 5 levels higher than him, Omega Shenron could not take them on both at once, assuming he could even hold his own against one of them!


Toriyama stated that in terms of power, SSG Goku is rated a 6, while Beerus is a 10, and Whis is a 15. That means that Beerus was still 4 levels higher than Goku after he obtained godhood, and Whis was 9 levels higher!


For even more evidence, people have started saying that Broly is roughly equal in power to a Super Saiyan 4. If we assume that is true, Beerus would STILL be more powerful, since he is the second strongest being in the DBZ universe. Considering that SS4 smacked Shenron around like a plaything, Beerus would have no problem accomplishing the same feat.

did you read anything I just said ?
I am seriously blown away right now
wow

The SSJ transformation multiples your base power level
Goku's base powerlevel in Z in BELOW Final Form Frieza
in GT GOKU'S base power level is that of KID BUU
does it make sense for you now
SSJ3 goku GT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 goku Z

[GrandMajora]

I simply can not understand WHY people believe Gogeta or Vegito is more powerful than SSG. Allow me to break down the math for you people.


Vegito - Two Saiyans. Vegeta + Goku


Gogeta - Two Saiyans. Goku + Vegeta


Super Saiyan God - SIX Saiyans. Goku + Vegeta + Gohan + Trunks + Goten + Pan


How the hell do you think Vegeta and Goku alone are more powerful than Vegeta, Goku, and 4 other people? This does not make sense!

[My Name Is Mud]

引用自 GrandMajora：

I simply can not understand WHY people believe Gogeta or Vegito is more powerful than SSG. Allow me to break down the math for you people.


Vegito - Two Saiyans. Vegeta + Goku


Gogeta - Two Saiyans. Goku + Vegeta


Super Saiyan God - SIX Saiyans. Goku + Vegeta + Gohan + Trunks + Goten + Pan


How the hell do you think Vegeta and Goku alone are more powerful than Vegeta, Goku, and 4 other people? This does not make sense!

goodbye

[GrandMajora]

引用自 Lelouch：

引用自 GrandMajora：

I simply can not understand WHY people believe Gogeta or Vegito is more powerful than SSG. Allow me to break down the math for you people.


Vegito - Two Saiyans. Vegeta + Goku


Gogeta - Two Saiyans. Goku + Vegeta


Super Saiyan God - SIX Saiyans. Goku + Vegeta + Gohan + Trunks + Goten + Pan


How the hell do you think Vegeta and Goku alone are more powerful than Vegeta, Goku, and 4 other people? This does not make sense!

goodbye

It seems we were both posting at relatively the same rate, causing it to look like we were ignoring each other.

Seeing as how this is a very heated debate among the fanbase, and I highly doubt either one of us will back down from this fight. I'm simply going to enjoy the knowledge that while GT is present in Xenoverse, I have the option (wish) on whether or not to include it. Obviously, I'll choose not to do so.

[Isilith]

Everyone in DB GT is much stronger than any other Dragon ball saga or movie. Goku in base form was stronger than SSJ 3 goku during the BUU arc. If SSG Goku was even 1000 times stronger than base Goku(which at the time was slightly after or before Kid Buu was beat) it still isn't as strong as SSJ4 Goku, althought the transformation itself may be stronger.
Omega Shenron is a god as well and is stronger than any other villian before.

GT is cannon even though some people dislike it; that is a fact. People figure because the villian is a "God" means he is automatically stronger, but tons of characters in the DB universe have been considered Gods as well.

Just because you have 5 pure hearted Sayians fused together doesn't mean they are stronger since all their power levels are lower than in GT.

[WalterREQUiEM]

引用自 MH Isilith Tehroth：

Everyone in DB GT is much stronger than any other Dragon ball saga or movie. Goku in base form was stronger than SSJ 3 goku during the BUU arc. If SSG Goku was even 1000 times stronger than base Goku(which at the time was slightly after or before Kid Buu was beat) it still isn't as strong as SSJ4 Goku, althought the transformation itself may be stronger.
Omega Shenron is a god as well and is stronger than any other villian before.

GT is cannon even though some people dislike it; that is a fact. People figure because the villian is a "God" means he is automatically stronger, but tons of characters in the DB universe have been considered Gods as well.

GT Isn't necessarily canon though, It's on par with the movies really. That being said, GT is a world where everyone is like a million times stronger than they were in DBZ, so Omega Shenron could still be stronger than Beerus. We'll never know, really. Toriyama doesn't give a rats ass about GT.

[GrandMajora]

GT ISN'T CANNON! This could have easily been called a truce and left it at that, but you opened the flood gates, Silith!


GT was declared non cannon with the release of the Battle of the Gods. The ONLY reason GT was implimented is because fans wanted the characters to be in the game. Super Saiyan 3 is the highest, official level of super saiyan that exists, not counting SSG.

[Isilith]

引用自 WalterREBoRN：

引用自 MH Isilith Tehroth：

Everyone in DB GT is much stronger than any other Dragon ball saga or movie. Goku in base form was stronger than SSJ 3 goku during the BUU arc. If SSG Goku was even 1000 times stronger than base Goku(which at the time was slightly after or before Kid Buu was beat) it still isn't as strong as SSJ4 Goku, althought the transformation itself may be stronger.
Omega Shenron is a god as well and is stronger than any other villian before.

GT is cannon even though some people dislike it; that is a fact. People figure because the villian is a "God" means he is automatically stronger, but tons of characters in the DB universe have been considered Gods as well.

GT Isn't necessarily canon though, It's on par with the movies really. That being said, GT is a world where everyone is like a million times stronger than they were in DBZ, so Omega Shenron could still be stronger than Beerus. We'll never know, really. Toriyama doesn't give a rats ass about GT.

Akira himself said GT was canon as well as Dragonball God were canon. Not sure what else you want him to say. Only butthurt fans that don't like GT think it isn't cannon.

[My Name Is Mud]

this is not a debate on if GT is cannon or not
The OP asked who was stronger and I told him
everyone in here who says otherwise is ignorant to the truth
base goku GT >>>>>>>>>> Base Goku Z has been proven and stated 10000x times by now
thats all the proof you need that everyone in GT is stronger then Z

all real Dragon Ball fans will know what I'm saying is true
I think more people need to rewatch GT before filling these forums with missinformation
and calling people GT fanboys cause you know your wrong makes you look even worse

[GrandMajora]

Besides, GT threw a ♥♥♥♥ ton of canon source material out the window and was riddled with continuity errors.


You find me exactly where he said GT was cannon. You find it right now!

[WalterREQUiEM]

引用自 MH Isilith Tehroth：

引用自 WalterREBoRN：

GT Isn't necessarily canon though, It's on par with the movies really. That being said, GT is a world where everyone is like a million times stronger than they were in DBZ, so Omega Shenron could still be stronger than Beerus. We'll never know, really. Toriyama doesn't give a rats ass about GT.

Akira himself said GT was canon as well as Dragonball God were canon. Not sure what else you want him to say.

Wait, when? I always was under the assumption that it wasn't canon like the movies were. I'm interested o-o

EDIT: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this is becoming a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Let's try to keep it civil here lol.

[GrandMajora]

引用自 WalterREBoRN：

引用自 MH Isilith Tehroth：

Akira himself said GT was canon as well as Dragonball God were canon. Not sure what else you want him to say.

Wait, when? I always was under the assumption that it wasn't canon like the movies were. I'm interested o-o

It's not canon, that's just GT fanboyism wishing it was. It was confirmed GT isn't canon around the time BoG was released.