Superman V Goku Who Wold Win And Why?

[LyminiteGames]

Hello So I Have Just Got into DBZ And super so who would superman or goku

[Callyste]

Цитата допису nawthuzarmyint:

Even if you still disagree, I will respect your opinion.

I don't believe he cares even one bit, seeing he posted this topic & question on October 2015.

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису nawthuzarmyint:

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

For future reference, you may want to keep in mind that DC gets way more butt hurt about their beloved characters being defeated than Marvel does. They actually had the gaul to censor a crossover with Mortal Kombat... bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.



Just watch Death Battle. They had two matches with Goku vs Superman. One was without God Ki, and the other was with it. In both cases, Superman won.

I believe they explained the reason for Superman's victory quite well. Goku is a powerful fighter, not arguing that, but the feats that Superman has been shown to do break the laws of physics and rationality. The last time we got a confirmation on Goku's feats of strength, he was just barely capable of lifting 40 tons in his base form, and had to go Super Saiyan to handle the weight. I know that he's gotten much stronger since then, but still, 40 tons is barely a paper ball for Superman.


Superman in his prime has absolutely blown any feat Goku has done out of the water. Also, his power level is virtually limitless, because he is constantly being recharged from sunlight, where as Goku's power depletes the longer he uses it.

Even if Goku tried to fight Superman at night, it wouldn't matter, because Superman has been shown to benchpress the weight of earth itself for a week straight without exposure to sunlight, and only shed a single drop of sweat.

Like the first replier said, Superman is too OP, his writers just give him whatever ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ power up he needs to resolve the situation.

I believe he was lifting 40 tons in 10-100 times Earth's gravity. But Goku's striking >>>>>>>>> Goku's lifting, also see my earlier post. Superman has also become tired/loses solar energy when fighting an opponent with equal or greater strength, take Doomsday for example.

Also, the writers only gave Superman crazy powers in the Silver Age, like Making a mini version of himself out of his hand, weird.

Goku has been shown to have enough power to destroy a planet by the Saiyan Saga. Heck, Master Roshi could destroy the moon with a power level of like, 200.

Now imagine what people with power levels in the billions and trillions could do, SPC stated his Kamehameha would destroy the Solar System, Superman could only do that in the Silver Age, (Not counting Prime One-Million, or Cosmic Armour etc).

Also, I'm not saying Goku's the most powerful guy ever, people like Thanos, Thor, Silver Surfer, Dr Manhattan, Pheonix and many more would give them both a run for their money.

Even if you still disagree, I will respect your opinion.

King Kai's planet has 10 times earth's gravity, but that doesn't mean much. You said Superman has been weakened by fighting opponents with equal strength, but Goku is nowhere friggin near Superman's strength level. Superman bench pressed the weight of the planet earth for a week straight without recharging on sunlight. 400 tons (40x10) is absolutely nothing for him.


As for speed, Superman has been demonstrated to fly many times faster than the speed of light, and was able to cross half the universe in mere minutes. The only people we've seen in DBZ with that level of speed is Whis and Vados. Even Beerus and Champa need to hitch a ride on them when traveling large distances.


As for the solar system blowing up, Superman has withstood the impact of 10 super novas, which is 10 suns exploding in point blank range. And while he did suffer injury from the blast, he still managed to recover from it.

And, like they said in Death Battle, none of these feats were pre-crisis.


In case you don't know what Death Battle is, it's a series on ScrewAttack where they analyze the strengths and weaknesses of characters from different series and see what would happen if they fought to the death. Kind of like Deadliest Warrior.

A lot of people say their analysis is bullcrap or biased, but in this particular instance, I think their research is pretty sound. And just so you know, I'm not a superman fanboy. I really was hoping Goku would win, but I'm man enough to admit that Goku could not possibly stand up to supes in a life or death battle.


Superman vs Goku Round 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA


Superman vs Goku Round 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0D0VGomWb4

[GrandMajora]

Did you actually watch the videos I posted? That's why I posted them. Superman CAN fight at the same speeds he can travel at. He's done it many times. And that guy who said "that was like 15 suns exploding in his face" hit him with lightning, not solar energy. So both your arguments are proven false in the first video.

Seriously, WATCH THE VIDEOS. They go into clear detail about both character's feats, strengths, powers and weaknesses. And it shows very clearly that Goku is outmatched in every category.


Goku as a character is the story about overcoming your limits through hard work.

Superman as a character is the story about choosing to do the right thing, even when it would be so much easier to do the wrong one.

As Death Battle explained, Superman is not intended to be relatable, he is not meant to lose. If Superman wanted to, he could enslave the entire planet and NOBODY could stop him. In fact, every time he does this in comics, movies and games, they always have to bring Superman from a different universe to defeat him.

Superman has nearly infinite power, and yet he chooses to live by our standards and obey our laws. He's a god trying to live among mortals, while Goku just wants to be the strongest fighter in the universe. There is no comparison between them, and there is no chance of Goku defeating him in battle.

[Suvsz]

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Seriously, WATCH THE VIDEOS. They go into clear detail about both character's feats, strengths, powers and weaknesses. And it shows very clearly that Goku is outmatched in every category.

Yes, except they also forget to list one of Gokus greatest strength, the fact, that he is a saiyan. Read my post above. And as such, your own arguments prove me to be right on this one:

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Superman's a god trying to live among mortals, while Goku just wants to be the strongest fighter in the universe.

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Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Goku as a character is the story about overcoming your limits through hard work.

Which measn he would want to be stronger than Superman, and would work hard to achieve it. And upon my previous arguments, over time he would succed.

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису Suvsz:

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Seriously, WATCH THE VIDEOS. They go into clear detail about both character's feats, strengths, powers and weaknesses. And it shows very clearly that Goku is outmatched in every category.

Yes, except they also forget to list one of Gokus greatest strength, the fact, that he is a saiyan. Read my post above. And as such, your own arguments prove me to be right on this one:

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Superman's a god trying to live among mortals, while Goku just wants to be the strongest fighter in the universe.

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Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Goku as a character is the story about overcoming your limits through hard work.

Which measn he would want to be stronger than Superman, and would work hard to achieve it. And upon my previous arguments, over time he would succed.

Goku can't become stronger than Superman, because you can't become stronger than infinity. Oh wait, Superman can, because he's done exactly that! Like I said, Superman's powers have broken the laws of physics and logic. That is how absolutely over powered DC comics has made him. He is not meant to lose, he is not meant to be relateable in any way. He is meant to demonstrate responsibility and compassion for those weaker than yourself. It's not about who the biggest brusier is.


As for Saiyans getting stronger after every fight. This is true, but only if they managed to RECOVER from their injuries. If somebody doesn't spare their life, well that Zenkai boost isn't going to mean ♥♥♥♥, now is it?

And besides, YOU'RE forgetting that Superman is a Kryptonian. That means his power is constantly increasing by exposure to sunlight. He doesn't have to fight to become stronger, he just has to step outside in the morning and let the sun do all the work!


As for Goku bending the rules in the afterlife, you're wrong about that, too. Goku was allowed to return to earth for only one day to compete in the martial arts tournament. And using Super Saiyan 3 drained away the time he had left because of the stress it put on his body.



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How can you even think of comparing Goku to Superman, when Goku can't even hold his own against Beerus and Whis yet? Even after Goku has obtained God Ki, we can see that he is still very terrified of angering Beerus, and he isn't even close to being on Whis' level.

During the Battle of Gods movie, Goku's god form managed to hold Beerus in a stand still when he wasn't even using his full power. When Beerus learned he was holding back, he bumped himself up to 70% and proceeded to overwhelm Goku with ease. Actually forcing him to admit defeat.


Cut to several months later after training with Whis and we can see Goku and Vegeta still run for their lives whenever Beerus is angry, and Goku personally admitted that a mere sneeze from Beerus would have killed both of them if it had hit.


Even after combining God Ki with Kaioken, Goku failed to defeat Hit during the tournament, and lost cxontrol of his powers for several days because he over exerted himself.


I'm sorry, but the evidence of Superman's victory is overwhelming.

[GoreTiger]

Superman wins. For the simple fact that Goku was almost killed by a simple laser beam fired from the finger of an Alien at his Heart in "F". One Laser beam shot to Goku's chest and He's dead. Not to Mention Superman has pulled entire solar systems out of orbit to migrate them to a new sun before.

[SirSwerving]

Superman has no buisness being as powerful as he is, He may get his teeth kicked in for a lot for stupid reasons, But really hes unbeatable becuase theres no consistancy with his character.

Where as for goku, He has his limits

[ImGladUmad]

Goku has superior fighting speed......Superman loses to Wonder Woman LMFAO.


It's clear that all DC Comic Characters have crap fighting speed....Goku/Vegeta/etc Combat speed would be too much for superman, superman would get killed in seconds.

[Rain]

Honestly at this point i'm pretty SSB goku would have a field day with him.

[rincewind]

Whis, obviously.

But seriously, Goku is godlike now. And is still getting stronger. Knowing him will not stop until surpassing Zeno.
So, I don't know if Superman has a chance. Even if he has a chance, that usually doesn't mean that the status quo will last.

[fantasma]

https://youtu.be/0MW9Nrg_kZU

[Ebon Wolf]

Depends on the Superman. But most people who do these vs battles know little to nothing about comics.

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису ImGladUmad:

Goku has superior fighting speed......Superman loses to Wonder Woman LMFAO.


It's clear that all DC Comic Characters have crap fighting speed....Goku/Vegeta/etc Combat speed would be too much for superman, superman would get killed in seconds.

Allow me to tell you about the recent Injustice Gods Among Us story going on. In which Superman has a conversation with the Flash at such a high speed that the rest of time seems to freeze for them. This is taking place during a planet wide invasion by Darkseid's parademons.

After the conversation, Superman flies around the entire planet and incinerates the invasion so fast that it seems like the parademons just blink out of existence.

THAT is how fast Superman can fight!


Also, the videos I posted from death battle explains that Superman is trained in a martial art that places him in the Theta State. Which basically means his senses are heightened to the point where he can perceive things in slow motion and react to them much faster than normally possible.


I keep telling you people to watch the damn Death Battle videos. They EXPLAIN both characters' feats and abilities. Seriously, they clarify this entire argument!

[GrandMajora]

Цитата допису nawthuzarmyint:

Цитата допису GrandMajora:

Allow me to tell you about the recent Injustice Gods Among Us story going on. In which Superman has a conversation with the Flash at such a high speed that the rest of time seems to freeze for them. This is taking place during a planet wide invasion by Darkseid's parademons.

After the conversation, Superman flies around the entire planet and incinerates the invasion so fast that it seems like the parademons just blink out of existence.

THAT is how fast Superman can fight!


Also, the videos I posted from death battle explains that Superman is trained in a martial art that places him in the Theta State. Which basically means his senses are heightened to the point where he can perceive things in slow motion and react to them much faster than normally possible.


I keep telling you people to watch the damn Death Battle videos. They EXPLAIN both characters' feats and abilities. Seriously, they clarify this entire argument!

Sigh, I've explained the errors DB have made with their calculations, also I believe Injustice doesn't take place in the main DCU. Also I wouldn't really call that a fight, as it took merely 1 blast of heat vision to kill them, regardless, I believe their Fighting speed are roughly equal, their travel speed, not so much (Unless you count IT).

Just for my and possibly other's personal interest, I think I can do a calculation on Son Goku's travel speed, skip this part if you want.

I've decided to use Death Battles calculations for Goku's travel speed since I don't have anything wrong with the way they calculated snake way. By converting the time it took for him to travel 191,000 miles in 2 days to mph/ we get around 4000 mph. Now Goku had a power level of over 8000 when he did this so multiplying his power from the Saiyan Saga to the Buu Saga from my previous estimations we can gather that by the Buu Saga he would be able to travel at around 48 million mph/. Now multiplying that by the SSJ Multipliers we can estimate his travel speed as a SSJ at 2.4 billion mph SSJ2 double that so 4.8 billion and SSJ3 quadruple that, and we get 19.2 billion mph for his travel speed. Around 28 times the speed of light travel speed wise.

It wasn't one blast of heat vision. I specifically said this was a planet wide invasion, meaning it was all over the world that he managed to take them all out literally in the blink of an eye.


And ass for Goku's speed, that's nice and all, but Superman has also been proven to travel many times faster than light. I believe they even demonstrate this during the second video in which they explain Goku is halfway across the galaxy and comes rushing to earth in mere minutes after receiving a distress call. Even if you're traveling at the speed of light, it would have taken thousands (millions?) of years to travel that distance without the use of teleportation. So for Superman to cut the time down to such a short period means he was traveling hundreds, if not thousands of times the speed of light.



While fighting Wonder Woman, Superman travels to the sun and back in only two minutes. It takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the sun to earth. That means that he was capable of hand to hand combat at least 4x the speed of light.


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I'm sorry that Goku lost twice, really, I am. Superman is my least favorite comic book hero, and I really wanted Goku to win. But you guys need to face facts, Goku is hopelessly outclassed in every category with possible exception of martial arts; which only gets you so far when facing an opponent many times beyond you.

[fantasma]

Superman got beat by a Bat with no powers.