Superman V Goku Who Wold Win And Why?

[LyminiteGames]

Hello So I Have Just Got into DBZ And super so who would superman or goku

[TheBatman368]

Regalis Ferus님이 먼저 게시:

Saitama is ultimate victor
One Punch is all it takes

Saitama is a weakling compared to these two...

That infinite power, no limits BS about Baldy was made up on reddit.

Superman could give him a run for his money with 1% power.

×kø-®님이 먼저 게시:

and the more important thing: Superman got weak points. Goku got none (exept blinded stupidity sometimes)

Even if by a magical thing, superman could be handling a fight against goku, goku would just have to touch him to teleport out of any sun range, and cya supernoob....

Goku would not do that, he would want a fair fight. This is one of the things DB got right.

Joshua님이 먼저 게시:

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

But he's never lost to Batman in a canon fight. They've always been What-If stories.

Even Batman himself has openly admitted that if Superman wanted to, he could kill Batman with ease.

at this point "canon" means nothing to superman. There are so many continuitys that there are hardly differences between "canon" and "non canon".

×kø-®님이 먼저 게시:

...Guys Goku is pretty much a god... superman (and all others fiction creations)

thats kinda silly and you know it

Regalis Ferus님이 먼저 게시:

Saitama is ultimate victor
One Punch is all it takes

while its rather obvious that saitama is stronger then them it doesnt matter for this discussion since the question is just who of these 2 is stronger. The question wasn´t who the strongest Fictional character ever was.

The 'Canon' continiuity is on New-Earth pre-52 and Prime Earth post 52. So there are CLEAR differences between the non and the canon.

Saitama is not that strong compared to these guys, heck his feats are barely, BARELY planetary. Superman has destroyed planets quite easily in the past and Goku has been destroying them in the Saiyan Saga, or atleast had enough power to, he never actually destroyed a planet but it was quite clear he could.

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

×kø-®님이 먼저 게시:

and the more important thing: Superman got weak points. Goku got none (exept blinded stupidity sometimes)

Even if by a magical thing, superman could be handling a fight against goku, goku would just have to touch him to teleport out of any sun range, and cya supernoob....

You are completely full of ♥♥♥♥. Goku has tons of weak points. Superman's only real weaknesses are A) Kryptonite. B) red solar energy. and C) Magic.

Goku has NONE of these.


Meanwhile, Goku can be taken out with a common ray gun shooting him in the chest; and this was IN GOD FORM!

Sigh, he was off guard, this is common mistake, he lowered his ki as he didn't need to really fight as Frieza was pretty much defeated. Goku has tanked MUCH WORSE.

×kø-®님이 먼저 게시:

yep but i can't see him take that shot, he (as superman) won't take it so easy, but the real important thing is: Goku is a gnious fighter, fighting since he was born (almost), born as a saiyan, race of fighters... if we can't suppose on who's the most powerfull (btw i tihnk univers would collapse on their big fight) we can only assume that goku is WAYYYYYY over superman in therms of fight technics.
So if their power is unlimited (and it is for both i think), goku will dominates him by his fights knowledge (and still, he can teleport him in a red sun solar system and it's over for superlycradude)


I forgot: Find me some weak point for goku... just tell me. i can't find any.

Neither of them are close to infinite power, and Goku's main weak point is he wants a fair fight, which isn't really much of a problem here.

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

S.T.A.R.S Leon S. K.님이 먼저 게시:

Goku destroy earth like Vegeta did to a planet on his 1 way to earth, some versions of superman need spacesuits and even if he can life there, than goku destroy the damn sun, so superman gets weaker. Doomsday beat superman without destroying a whole universe genkidama power XD

How many times do I have to say that Superman bench pressed the weight of the earth for an entire week straight and only shed a single drop of sweat because he was seperated from the sun for that long. Guys, taking him out of the solar system does not instantly drop his power to zero. Superman's body absorbs and stock piles sunlight.

So even if he's seperated from the sun, he can still use his powers. He just needs a yellow or blue sun to recharge himself when he runs out.

Also, Death Battle explained that the reason superman needed a space suit was due to his own mental blocks. He believed he needed to wear a space suit, so that's why he wore one. But after he fully embraced his Kryptonian heritage, he realized he can survive entirely on sunlight.

Jesus, people. How about you actually listen to the analysis instead of jumping straight to the fights like a bunch of rabid fan boys?

Actually DB was wrong on that one, their refering to Superman TAS I believe and that one can't breathe in space, also I can point out many flaws in there analysis for both combatants.

Also the sunlight thing doesn't really matter, as Goku could defeat Superman with or without destroying the sun.

S.T.A.R.S Leon S. K.님이 먼저 게시:

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

How many times do I have to say that Superman bench pressed the weight of the earth for an entire week straight and only shed a single drop of sweat because he was seperated from the sun for that long. Guys, taking him out of the solar system does not instantly drop his power to zero. Superman's body absorbs and stock piles sunlight.

So even if he's seperated from the sun, he can still use his powers. He just needs a yellow or blue sun to recharge himself when he runs out.

Also, Death Battle explained that the reason superman needed a space suit was due to his own mental blocks. He believed he needed to wear a space suit, so that's why he wore one. But after he fully embraced his Kryptonian heritage, he realized he can survive entirely on sunlight.

Jesus, people. How about you actually listen to the analysis instead of jumping straight to the fights like a bunch of rabid fan boys?

Even Batman wins vs Superman if he wants :D and Son Goku can absorb the power of a whole galaxy and can even absorb this genkidama watch Dragon Ball Z Movie and Son Goku isnt at his limits :P everytime he gets close to death he gets stronger ss5, ss6, ss7 ssgod999 to the hell and if son goku destroy all suns and wait 7 days, than WHAT? XD

Goku would not destroy the sun in this situation, the DBZ Movies are non canon except for BOG and ROF.

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

Joshua님이 먼저 게시:

exactly how did he bench press it for an entire week without beeing exposed to the sun once?





both characters have been hurt in very silly ways at times. also,didn´t super retcon that?

That's what I'm trying to tell you people. Superman's powers aren't immediately cut off the moment he's seperated from the sun, that weakness was only shown in the cartoons, but is not present in the comics. His body absorbs solar energy and stock piles it for when he needs it. That's why he can still use them at night, or on a cloudy day, or in a different solar system.

He's using his stored up power!


It's also been told to me by more avid comic book fans that the reason Doomsday was able to almost kill superman, is because he had been doing missions in space and hadn't been exposed to the sun for months. That means when Doomsday "killed" superman, he was fighting him in a weakened state.

I don't think so, as Doomsday broke a powered up Superman's arm in Hunter Prey.

[TheBatman368]

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

It's not invalid, you m-o-r-o-n. Superman in the comics has been oficially confirmed to have bench pressed the weight of the earth for a week straight without being exposed to sunlight in that time frame. And he only shed a single drop of sweat to show he was getting tired.

This is not something that is hard to track down, you can look it up on pretty much any website that credits Superman's feats!

This is the last time I'll reply to you. There are many different supermans, like one who can sneeze away galaxies and another who can't even fly. You need to focus on one and only one superman for the debate which you seem to be to stupid to understand.

Solar system, not Galaxy, small mistake though.

KrayToast님이 먼저 게시:

If Superman and Goku were to both meet, Without any kind of Powerups or boosts (Like SS or absorbing solar energy), Superman would win. He is naturally stronger than Goku, In his base form he's been nuked, drenched in kryptonite, And stabbed in the chest, And still won the fights he was in. Like i said earlier, Superman could laser Beam Goku in the chest and he'd be dead.

Also, The Only way to make this fight truly fair is to give Superman the same training as Goku. Let him learn Kaioken. Let him be trained in otherworld for those 17 years under grand Kai. Let him learn some of the DBZ moves. Let him learn how to reach the realm of gods in the DBZ world. Then match him against Goku and see who wins.

Like Cell said, Fights are so much funner when the opponents are evenly matched.

Do I even need to state what is so wrong with this comment?

If I put a Proffesional boxer and a Gorrilla in a ring, I can't say it's not a fair fight 'cause the Ape hasn't had the training the Boxer has.

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

Grand Captain Speedy Dash님이 먼저 게시:

This is the last time I'll reply to you. There are many different supermans, like one who can sneeze away galaxies and another who can't even fly. You need to focus on one and only one superman for the debate which you seem to be to stupid to understand.

Yeah, dumb ass, it's called the DC Multi Verse, in which there are literally infinite different versions of Superman for every possible reality. It doesn't sound like you're asking for Goku to fight Superman, it sounds like you're asking Goku to fight a Superman that would be weak enough to lose.

In which case, your entire argument is biased and invalid.



Superman's only confirmed weaknesses are Kryptonite, Red Sun, and Magic. And even then, there are some versions of Superman who are immune to Kryptonite and Magic.

Goku is an honorable fighter, he only wants to fight people when they are at their strongest. So we can throw out the Kryptonite and Red Sun possibilities. He also doesn't know how to use magic, so we can toss that as well.

That means Goku has no way to harm Superman!


Even Doomsday couldn't get the job done, all he did was knock him unconscious while he healed himself!

Goku can still harm Superman, as he can easily destroy a planet and Superman was KOed when he was slapped into the moon AND when he destroyed War World.

And Doomsday actually knocked him into a Coma, not to death, but it's more than Knocking
him out.

Doctor Killjoy님이 먼저 게시:

goku and superman also would have no reason to go all out against each other (to kill).
sure they might have a friendly spar, but nothing serious.
supermans body is also more durable then goku's, who mostly relies on his ki.

superman vs vegetto would be a better match

Naturally, yes but when Goku uses his Ki to highten his Durability, no.

Lobster님이 먼저 게시:

It's funny you should ask this question in the DBZ forum, so of course everyone is going to say Goku would win. You are getting biased results because people here are fans of DBZ. Goku would defeat every single movie and cartoon version of Superman easily. It's no wonder people automatically assume Goku would win, when that is the case.

However, the DC comics is so full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, making Superman way too OP. Making black holes seem like a minor nuisance for Superman.
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This reminds me of Marvel's Thor. Thor was a real god in mythology. The entire planet used to be a globe of water, until Thor was tricked in a drinking contest by an ice giant and drank the entire planet and lowered the sea level creating continents, winning the contest.

Thor in mythology was an actual god, Thor in Marvels show is just a guy that wacks things really hard with a hammer.

Thor can destroy planets, solar systems and possibly even galaxies in the comics, I believe that's more impressive than drinking part of a planet.

Also DC's Superman is still beatable, Darkseid, Doomsday, Anti-Monitor and Atlas have all proved this to be true.

I've explained why Goku would defeat Superman before and I am not typing it again.

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

Artor-El님이 먼저 게시:

Spirit Bomb would not hurt Superman...why does everyone forget that Spirit Bomb won't hurt people pure of heart...which Supes is.

It also takes a very long time to charge and the energy taken from sentient beings must be voluntary.


Plus, a moon sized spirit bomb couldn't even kill Frieza. So how the hell is it supposed to put a dent in Superman?

While Superman is superior to Frieza (Pre-ROF) That Spirit bomb could still hurt him to some extent, if he wasn't pure of heart.

Goku wouldn't need a SB to beat Superman.

Alavin님이 먼저 게시:

Superman. He's not meant for getting stronger to pass his enemy's limitations. His only weakness is kryptonite and being far away from his source of power (the Sun). He is a god among man, Goku has limits.

Kryptonite, Red Sun radiation, Magic and being away from the Sun, and Superman has his own limits which are below Goku's.

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

Alavin님이 먼저 게시:

Superman. He's not meant for getting stronger to pass his enemy's limitations. His only weakness is kryptonite and being far away from his source of power (the Sun). He is a god among man, Goku has limits.

He's also weak to magic. It's possible that Majin Buu might be able to defeat Goku, since he's literally made of magic and is powerful enough to rip apart reality itself. But Goku has nothing that can harm him save for the Power Pole.

Goku can easily harm Supes without even going SSJ, being able to easily destroy a planet is enough to harm Superman.

Also you mean Majin Buu might be able to defeat Superman right?

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GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

He's also weak to magic. It's possible that Majin Buu might be able to defeat Goku, since he's literally made of magic and is powerful enough to rip apart reality itself. But Goku has nothing that can harm him save for the Power Pole.

Viruses can harm goku. He was killed in the future by one. He's also weak against laser. He was almost killed by one in ressurection of F, if not for the senzu bean.

He lowered his Ki and was caught off guard, how many times do I need to explain this?!

Well 2 pages down, a lot more to go.

[TheBatman368]

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

SinisterSlay님이 먼저 게시:

The moon is made up of the same materials as the Earth.
And it's 1/4 the size. So multiply by 4.
Or, easier. Goku at 8000 can destroy earth, so divide by 4. 2000 power to destroy the moon.
Since we know that's well beyond Roshis abilities. It's probably less than that required. I could be wrong here, but was Piccolo only 1000 when Radditz showed up? So Piccolo was under 1000 or close to it, when he rather effortlessly blew up the moon a second time.
If Roshi sits at 200, Piccolo is sitting at 1000.
We can assume that Roshi powers up to about 500 to destroy the moon, using all his strength, nearly draining himself.

So with these assumptions, working our way back up, 500 * 4 is 2000 power to blow up earth with a ton of effort.
At a billion power he could lift the Earth 500,000 times!
I think that might give superman a run for his money.
And we're not even Super Sayian yet.

Piccolo and Goku had a power level less than 500 during the Raditz Saga and that's without their weighted clothing. Their power levels only increased when they were channeling all their energy into a special attack.

Raditz's power level at the time was estimated to be 1,200, since that's the power level that all of the humans had after their training with Kami.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhFGoBIDHUY


But lifting the earth 500,000 times would not give Superman a run for is money, because Superman has dragged entire solar systems around. And as mentioned before, it only takes him 15 minutes inside the sun to be able to do this EFFORTLESSLY.

Solar sytems were only being piggy backed by Superman in the Silver age, now he's 'only' multi-planetary, Btw it was 15 minutes for a planet actually.

You know what, I'm not doing this, I'm not going through every page that I missed and countering statements, it's weird enough that I did 2 pages, but not anymore, I'll just forget about 'em.

[Lobstersaurus]

I wouldn't say you successfully countered many statements, most of what you said was based off probably your opinion.

For example, we have no idea how powerful Saitama actually is because he's never actually injured in the show. All we know is he is much more powerful then a Super Saiyan 3.

You also claim DB characters not DBZ are able to move at Mach 1 speed. Just because DB slowed time down so they could fight wouldn't mean that they are moving at those kinds of speeds. Where are the sonic booms then?

[GrandMajora]

Yeah, there's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ way I'm going to pull the entire quote from Nawthuzamint, so I'm just going to type a simple reply.


You repeatedly said that being able to destroy a planet is powerful enough to hurt superman. Just to inform you, Superman has survived multiple, yes, MULTIPLE super novas.

If our sun went super nova, the explosion would stretch far enough to completely vaporize roughly half our solar system. Superman took multiple explosions of this calibur at point blank range and didn't die from it.


As for God Form being harmed by lowering his Ki, that's the friggin point, which you clearly missed it. Goku is only bullet proof as long as he is focusing his power. Once he relaxes himself, he can be killed like a normal guy.

This does NOT apply to Superman! He is permanently invulnerable, relaxed or not. If you don't have one of his three weaknesses on hand, then you're not causing damage.


The Destructo Disk might (emphasis, might) be able to kill Superman, but even then, I'm skeptical because Ki isn't magic in the Dragon Ball world.


And as for Superman's fighting speed, you really didn't pay much attention to the arguments, because we have already disproven your bull crap about Superman not being able to fight at FTL speeds. Like... multiple times already... I don't know why you people keep indicating that he can't.

[Von Faustien]

goku took a head shot from a hand at six well before he knew how to use ki so any version of goku is bullet proof

Space age ray guns are more powerfull than bullets

[Freeman]

So after those years, who won ? xD

[Von Faustien]

Freeman님이 먼저 게시:

So after those years, who won ? xD

Well so far neither the sups or goku fanboys have found a counter for Jesus turning the water in there bodies to wine and killing them with alcohol poisoning so I'd say him

[AllenVoltage]

jrr101님이 먼저 게시:

Freeman님이 먼저 게시:

So after those years, who won ? xD

Well so far neither the sups or goku fanboys have found a counter for Jesus turning the water in there bodies to wine and killing them with alcohol poisoning so I'd say him

Jesus is not real

[Von Faustien]

AllenBolt님이 먼저 게시:

jrr101님이 먼저 게시:

Well so far neither the sups or goku fanboys have found a counter for Jesus turning the water in there bodies to wine and killing them with alcohol poisoning so I'd say him

Jesus is not real

Well arguably he was based on a real person who existed at some point. Like Saint Nicolas both were real people at one point. Granted Santa didn't really have elf slaves and Jesus probably didn't have super power but they did exist

[GrandMajora]

jrr101님이 먼저 게시:

goku took a head shot from a hand at six well before he knew how to use ki so any version of goku is bullet proof

Space age ray guns are more powerfull than bullets

You seem to not realize the head shots were mostly for comic relief. Launch was a trigger happy schizophrenic who would shoot people with a machine gun on a nearly constant basis, and the most they suffered were some scrapes and bruises.

And Frieza said it was a common ray gun, meaning basic issue firearm for his army.

[Von Faustien]

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

jrr101님이 먼저 게시:

goku took a head shot from a hand at six well before he knew how to use ki so any version of goku is bullet proof

Space age ray guns are more powerfull than bullets

You seem to not realize the head shots were mostly for comic relief. Launch was a trigger happy schizophrenic who would shoot people with a machine gun on a nearly constant basis, and the most they suffered were some scrapes and bruises.

And Frieza said it was a common ray gun, meaning basic issue firearm for his army.

I was talking about bulk a and friezes basic fire arms are better than earth weapons.

[Freeman]

jrr101님이 먼저 게시:

Well so far neither the sups or goku fanboys have found a counter for Jesus turning the water in there bodies to wine and killing them with alcohol poisoning so I'd say him

Hahaha, i see jesus in a complete different way now. xD

[Haunt Fox]

If it were a contest between which was the more interesting character ...

The Superman I grew up with and remember from the comic books was an overpowered, kind of one-dimensional goody-two-shoes. The characters AROUND him were more inherently interesting. Nothing could beat the guy - NOTHING - unless he was weakened by Kryptonite, which was supposed to be rare, but by golly, it seemed anyone could get ahold of enough of the stuff to build a cage or whatnot. And he would never, ever kill anyone, no matter how nasty they were. Though he would fly in through walls, disregarding doors, just to beat up on a couple of amateur bank robbers or something. I don't remember any other version changing this much, but then, after I hit puberty around 1980 or so, and my preferred war and horror comics started to become harder to find, I lost interest. Intelligent, but boring.

Goku - a rather vicious little wild child who mellowed - almost too much - as he grew up. He's not duplicitous about fighting, he openly admits he enjoys it (but is ethical enough to only want to fight people willing to fight him - and then will use as much restraint as he thinks he needs to until you show him otherwise). Borders into goody-two-shoes territory - much to Piccolo and Vegeta's rightful annoyance - but he also seems to have learned (the hard way, via Frieza) when enough playtime is enough, and when not to let a villian walk away alive. Dumb, but interesting.

Winner: Goku. While he's kind of a buffoon, at least he shows potential for more learning and character development as an adult; Superman seems to be stuck in a stony rut (with the possible exception of that weird movie that had him and Zod destroying downtown Metropolis like Piccolo and Goku in their tournament match.)

Or maybe I just appreciate the little monkey that still lives within Goku. :)

[Haunt Fox]

GrandMajora님이 먼저 게시:

Officer Jenkins님이 먼저 게시:

hes not a paranoid schitzophrenic he plans every action and problem into full effect because lets face it he knows all their weakness and real names plus if they were to go full evil he has the plan to take them down with out killing them for instance green arrow tempary blindness and for green lantern use a non lethel scarecrow toxin and for the man of steel a very small dose of Kryptonite for just a last resort and he has his own plan to take him down use a hostage that will give you a split second to take him down.

Fun fact: Apparently one of Wonder Woman's weaknesses is if you bind her arm bands together, she loses her power and is forced to obey your every order. Oddly enough, this is never referrenced or shown in the movies / cartoons.

I seem to remember that from somewhere, can't remember if it was a comic book or the TV series though (which was a HELL of a long time ago, but this weakness DOES seem familiar), and yes, I'm pretty sure I'm not confusing that lasso of hers (which basically does the same thing) because iirc, it can't/doesn't work on her.

I'm starting to feel old, damnit. Git erf mer lern.