Why do so "many" people fight new order/new faith?

[Good Fella]

ive had full hope and no discontent, yet 18 people dared to oppose and payed the price...an unneccesary sacrifice...i wonder why you cant make a peacefull "final step", if you got the best conditions for that option like i did. :-/

[FUS]

There's revolution, there's a counter-revolution also.

[Lцċįἀǹ º¹]

some people really dont like totalitarian dictatorships i suppose

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by I AM the Senate!:

ive had full hope and no discontent, yet 18 people dared to oppose and payed the price...an unneccesary sacrifice...i wonder why you cant make a peacefull "final step", if you got the best conditions for that option like i did. :-/

Well, would YOU like totalitarianism or a religious state? There's still a difference between a police state or organized state religion, and it dominating every single part about life.

[Good Fella]

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

Originally posted by I AM the Senate!:

ive had full hope and no discontent, yet 18 people dared to oppose and payed the price...an unneccesary sacrifice...i wonder why you cant make a peacefull "final step", if you got the best conditions for that option like i did. :-/

Well, would YOU like totalitarianism or a religious state? There's still a difference between a police state or organized state religion, and it dominating every single part about life.

my point or what a asked for was originally, why a group of 20 would do open rebellion and die if the city has over 600 citizens, which are passively OR oppose them? ( btw in the little choices you can make during playthrough i do act like a kind Captian) :)

[GryphicZwei]

Even if you act like a kind captain, your actions generally have a bodycount, or "collateral damage". And remember, this is in the timespan of LITERALLY a month. This wasn't a "frog in the boiling water" situation.

These folks are standing up for their freedom from what they see as tyranny.

EDIT

Once you cross the line you also perform executions against troublemakers/heretics, so I mean... not really a kind decision. Especially when you examine the laws leading up to this point. You may think you were kind, but you absolutely crossed a moral line, and some folks would be willing to die rather than let that line be crossed. Just like in real life!

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

Originally posted by I AM the Senate!:

ive had full hope and no discontent, yet 18 people dared to oppose and payed the price...an unneccesary sacrifice...i wonder why you cant make a peacefull "final step", if you got the best conditions for that option like i did. :-/

Well, would YOU like totalitarianism or a religious state? There's still a difference between a police state or organized state religion, and it dominating every single part about life.

Depends on how its handled really. Either concept is nothing good or evil in itself. That said, considering how modern societies fail pretty hard I certainly wouldn't mind one right now, regardless if evil or good.

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

Well, would YOU like totalitarianism or a religious state? There's still a difference between a police state or organized state religion, and it dominating every single part about life.

Depends on how its handled really.

Surely you can name a dictatorship or religious state with actual territorial and political power that is benign?

That said, considering how modern societies fail pretty hard I certainly wouldn't mind one right now, regardless if evil or good.

Just think about what happened to Germany last time they thought this way and how well that turned out. Once you're on that slippery slope, it's really hard to turn around...

I'd also like to point out how especially 1st and a good deal of 2nd-world societies are actually better off now than they have been in decades. It's just that people are so egotistical and politically lazy these days that they easily fall for the simplest possible explanations that let them keep their wealth. But going further into this discussion would seriously derail this thread.

[Tiasmoon]

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

Depends on how its handled really.

Surely you can name a dictatorship or religious state with actual territorial and political power that is benign?

Can you name a government that isn't a dictatorship or religious state with actual territorial and political power that is benign? Yeah, me neither.

No modern country is a benign state.


It is not the form of government that matters, but what it represents, and how it enacts itself. It does not matter if it is a single rule system (not a fan of the biased word ''dictatorship'') or religious state, or whatever else.

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

I'd also like to point out how especially 1st and a good deal of 2nd-world societies are actually better off now than they have been in decades. It's just that people are so egotistical and politically lazy these days that they easily fall for the simplest possible explanations that let them keep their wealth. But going further into this discussion would seriously derail this thread.

The difference is not that people in these countries are better off, but that they have been trained to look the other way when something bad is happening near them.

People these days always point to the third world when saying ''life is bad'' ''hunger and poverty'' ''illness and lack of medical attention'' ''oppression'' when these things still happen even in first world countries.

Originally posted by Tankfriend:

But going further into this discussion would seriously derail this thread.

Heh. Next time consider that before posting the very reply that derailed the thread. :p
Or if not that, atleast your replies to other.

You know you realliy dont have to pick the worst possible reply all the time. ; )

[Tankfriend]

Originally posted by Tiasmoon:

You know you realliy dont have to pick the worst possible reply all the time. ; )

Oh, trust me - there could have been MUCH worse... ;)

[Alcator]

Originally posted by I AM the Senate!:

ive had full hope and no discontent, yet 18 people dared to oppose and payed the price...an unneccesary sacrifice...i wonder why you cant make a peacefull "final step", if you got the best conditions for that option like i did. :-/

It's because despite all the PR talk, the social events are pretty much hard-code scripted. Even if you have everyone living in houses, fed, and healthy, and there's no shortage of anything, you WILL get the drunken outburst, you WILL get the vandals, you WILL get the graffiti and the food theft... I sincerely hope we get modding tools in 2019 and we'll be able to script complex and realistic-looking social development, instead of the railroaded "story" of the official campaigns.

The game has tremendous potential for sociologists also! In World of Warcraft, they once did the Cursed Blood thing, and it turned into an epidemiologist study, showing how some people would genuinely help and others would try to spread the epidemics.

With good modding tools, Frostpunk could be used this way as well: Sociologists might plot certain morally complex sequences and watch how many first-time players choose which option.

[kktus45]

daim peope, I just wanna know if the perk is worth it. not listen to politics even here.

[Steve]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.