20XX has slightly ruined MMX Legacy Collection for Me

[CounterHunterX]

Yeah, so, like the title says, 20XX has somewhat ruined MMX Collection for me. Not that I haven't loved the Collection so far, it's fantastic! The controls are as tight as ever, the gallery has so much great content packed into it, and now that I see it action, I actually like the smoothing filter a LOT more. It is also makes the graphics disparity of X-Challenge mode mashing the 16 and 32 bit sprites together look a lot less jarring (and, ironically, makes the games look a bit more like 20XX's graphics).

No, but, the thing that I can't get over is the quality of life improvements 20XX has over the X series. I didn't realize how much I take for granted that 20XX lets you wall jump and then STILL be able to use your mobility upgrade (Double Jump, Air Dash, Hover, Fly).

Like, holy heck. Once you get use to it, its like, why didn't X let you do this? It's so good!
Going back and playing X feels sooooo awkward.

Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game.

And don't get me started on how helpful it is to be able to run AND attack with your beam saber. (which, technically was a thing in MM Xtreme 2, but that's not part of the main numbered series, so I'm not counting it.)

I'm not mad about any of this though, they're all minor grips. 20XX is still probably my favorite indie game of all time, and my love of Mega Man X is the reason why I'm even here, but it just amuses me how much 20XX has forever changed how I experience the Legacy of Mega Man X.

[CSmuggler]

"Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game."

I always did that in the X games. Trying to dash shoot and jump all on one button set is too much for one thumb to manage. Unless you have like super enormous thumbs or something.

[Joystick Man]

20XX is a upgrade to X saga, is what X6-x7-X8 should have been.

[XZero]

17thUnitMaverickHunter eredeti hozzászólása:

I didn't realize how much I take for granted that 20XX lets you wall jump and then STILL be able to use your mobility upgrade (Double Jump, Air Dash, Hover, Fly).

Like, holy heck. Once you get use to it, its like, why didn't X let you do this? It's so good!
Going back and playing X feels sooooo awkward.

Wait, wall jumps? That doesn't sound right...
I know dash jumps prevented air dash from working...
(Meaning dash jumps off walls too.)

Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game.

Mega Man Zero went and put dash on L, and that's what forever made me use it for dashing.
Suddenly things felt much better, heh.

[CounterHunterX]

XZero eredeti hozzászólása:

Wait, wall jumps? That doesn't sound right...
I know dash jumps prevented air dash from working...
(Meaning dash jumps off walls too.)

Wow, my bad, I definitly meant dash jumping. haha
Not sure why I typed wall.

[CounterHunterX]

CSmuggler eredeti hozzászólása:

"Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game."

I always did that in the X games. Trying to dash shoot and jump all on one button set is too much for one thumb to manage. Unless you have like super enormous thumbs or something.

I had tiny thumbs as a kid, and never had a problem! Now I have these stupid adult hands that aren't as suited for video games... ugh.

But now, I also have that sweet adult "job money" to buy video games!

You win some, you lose some.

[FOTUS (Felon of the U.S)]

Suazo eredeti hozzászólása:

20XX is a upgrade to X saga, is what X6-x7-X8 should have been.

Yeah some of the QoL improvements in 20XX are nice, but I would hang myself from a tall tree if they ever turned Megaman X into a "rogue-lite". It's fine for an indie game like this, but that would basically be like Activision turning CoD into PUBG. Oh wait....

[Novus Ordo Seclorum]

Mega Man X being a roguelike wouldn't change anything, I already quit if I die once anyway.

[Oguzhan]

Well if you just compare it to the megaman X games then sure but with the zero games you could do stuff like double dash jump , you could also slash while moving etc etc .....

Honestly when it comes to movement and whatnot I think 20XX is more based on megaman zero. Even the controls and how the character feels is the same.

I get what you are saying though. After playing the megaman zero games I just can't call the controls in megaman X fantastic. Great for sure but they just don't have that feel and precision.

Now with classic its not a problem cause aside from few differences between the games they usually are similar and fluent. Especially 9 and 10 also made by inticreates.

[FOTUS (Felon of the U.S)]

17thUnitMaverickHunter eredeti hozzászólása:

XZero eredeti hozzászólása:

Wait, wall jumps? That doesn't sound right...
I know dash jumps prevented air dash from working...
(Meaning dash jumps off walls too.)

Wow, my bad, I definitly meant dash jumping. haha
Not sure why I typed wall.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can air dash after dash jumping in 20XX either.

[FOTUS (Felon of the U.S)]

@OP
I actually don't feel like 20XX takes anything away from MMX series (or zero or ZX for that matter). I think they are all great in their own right and the framework of the game is built around the abilities you are given. 20XX has some absolutely insane platforming which requires the extra mobility.

In fact I think it's a big negative on this game because your run is greatly impacted by the randomness of the armor drops. I think it would serve the game far better if you could choose what armor and weapon load out you want before starting each run (and make the game more fun). MMX allowed you to do this in later entries and it added to the variety and fun of the game.

[phadin]

CSmuggler eredeti hozzászólása:

"Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game."

I always did that in the X games. Trying to dash shoot and jump all on one button set is too much for one thumb to manage. Unless you have like super enormous thumbs or something.

Yeah, back when I played the original X, I set up the controls so dash and jump were on the shoulder buttons. That way I could dash-jump, while charging a shot, and release the charged shot in the middle of my dash-jump if needed.

[Novus Ordo Seclorum]

Lumpy eredeti hozzászólása:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can air dash after dash jumping in 20XX either.

You absolutely CAN airdash after dash-jumping or wall jumping in 20XX, as long as you have Oxjack Legs or Oxjack Set bonus via patchwork with or without the legs.

[Ace]

17thUnitMaverickHunter eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, so, like the title says, 20XX has somewhat ruined MMX Collection for me. Not that I haven't loved the Collection so far, it's fantastic! The controls are as tight as ever, the gallery has so much great content packed into it, and now that I see it action, I actually like the smoothing filter a LOT more. It is also makes the graphics disparity of X-Challenge mode mashing the 16 and 32 bit sprites together look a lot less jarring (and, ironically, makes the games look a bit more like 20XX's graphics).

No, but, the thing that I can't get over is the quality of life improvements 20XX has over the X series. I didn't realize how much I take for granted that 20XX lets you wall jump and then STILL be able to use your mobility upgrade (Double Jump, Air Dash, Hover, Fly).

Like, holy heck. Once you get use to it, its like, why didn't X let you do this? It's so good!
Going back and playing X feels sooooo awkward.

Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game.

And don't get me started on how helpful it is to be able to run AND attack with your beam saber. (which, technically was a thing in MM Xtreme 2, but that's not part of the main numbered series, so I'm not counting it.)

I'm not mad about any of this though, they're all minor grips. 20XX is still probably my favorite indie game of all time, and my love of Mega Man X is the reason why I'm even here, but it just amuses me how much 20XX has forever changed how I experience the Legacy of Mega Man X.

I mean, they're almost two different games, in a way.

20XX lets you play more fast and loose, whereas the MMX series is rigid and static in nature. There is a specific order in which you need to fight bosses, otherwise you're just doing yourself harm. X is never the character to pick unless you want the slowest possible gameplay (aside from X6 due to him having a saber there)

With Zero, simply dash, preform the first slash, repeat. You'll do insane damage because the first slash of zero's saber causes zero hit-stun-invincibility. So you can hit someone 10 times rapidly before their first move comes out, dodge that, get close and repeat once or twice and you've won without taking a scratch. X can do this when using the Z-Saber attack if you cancel the slash animation with a dash which you then cancel into another slash, repeating so that the second hit never happens. You're essentially doing the same thing zero can do, (ZSC - Z-Saber-Canceling)

Even the latter games like X7 and X8 live by this rule. X is just a bad character once you hit X4 and onward. It's strange too that they neutered the X6 version shipped with the legacy collection. They completely removed the original song "moonlight" in favor of some bland techno beepy stuff. I guess it was a license thing, but still. It makes me just wish the song was at least in the collection to listen to now and again. Especially since most rips are pretty poor quality, having a nice FLAC of it or something would be fantastic.

I love the Megaman X series, it's honestly one of my favorite series of games. But it's not a game series for people who want a challenge, or for people who want super fluid gameplay.

[XZero]

Sporkin8or eredeti hozzászólása:

Lumpy eredeti hozzászólása:

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can air dash after dash jumping in 20XX either.

You absolutely CAN airdash after dash-jumping or wall jumping in 20XX, as long as you have Oxjack Legs or Oxjack Set bonus via patchwork with or without the legs.

And all other leg upgrades work after dash jumps too.

[Focus Me!]

17thUnitMaverickHunter eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, so, like the title says, 20XX has somewhat ruined MMX Collection for me. Not that I haven't loved the Collection so far, it's fantastic! The controls are as tight as ever, the gallery has so much great content packed into it, and now that I see it action, I actually like the smoothing filter a LOT more. It is also makes the graphics disparity of X-Challenge mode mashing the 16 and 32 bit sprites together look a lot less jarring (and, ironically, makes the games look a bit more like 20XX's graphics).

No, but, the thing that I can't get over is the quality of life improvements 20XX has over the X series. I didn't realize how much I take for granted that 20XX lets you wall jump and then STILL be able to use your mobility upgrade (Double Jump, Air Dash, Hover, Fly).

Like, holy heck. Once you get use to it, its like, why didn't X let you do this? It's so good!
Going back and playing X feels sooooo awkward.

Also, now, I am so thoroughly use to dashing via shoulder button, again, because of 20XX, I keep forgetting that that the X series typically had that mapped to a face button. I am incapable now of playing the X series with the classic control scheme, and I have to remap it everytime. Which is annoying, because I can't do it mid game, I have to do it before I start, which I often forget and have to restart the game.

And don't get me started on how helpful it is to be able to run AND attack with your beam saber. (which, technically was a thing in MM Xtreme 2, but that's not part of the main numbered series, so I'm not counting it.)

I'm not mad about any of this though, they're all minor grips. 20XX is still probably my favorite indie game of all time, and my love of Mega Man X is the reason why I'm even here, but it just amuses me how much 20XX has forever changed how I experience the Legacy of Mega Man X.

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