Tyrannosaurs Rex vs. Spinosaurs who would win

[BananaJesus]

Before anyone asks, this is not a vote match of whose the best, or I dont want to get into an argumanet I am just showing based on all scientific evidence who would win in a fight between Trex and Spino.

Many people believe that in a fight spino could destroy a trex in a fight whether it be on land or water. Well sorry that is false despite what others have told you im here to clear things out and set things straight.

Alright now before we get to the fighting lets get to the size weight prey and so on of these 2 competitors.


Trex (king of the dinos)


Length: 12-13m long
Height 6 m tall
Weight 7-8 tonnes
prey: Hadrosaurs, tricerotops, ankylosaurs, etc
home: North America

Spino (sail lizard)

Length 15-16m long
Height: 7m at the sail
Weight: 9-10 tonnes
prey: large fish
home: Africa


Latest Evidence on Spino

New evidence from new fossils show that spino could not walk on 2 legs as previously thought and it was not like any other predatory dinosaur. From this new specimen the reaserchers and paleontologists could only conclude that spino was adapting to a life in the water rather than on land. All of its weird features such as the short legs, long sail, and crocodile like head were all adapted for catching slippery fish vs hunting dinos like some had previously thought.

Compared to Trex , Spino was longer but in height if it stood on 2 legs it was about the same height. However the teeth of these 2 dinos suggest very different lifestyles whereby Trex was designed to breal impenetrable defenses of its prey (ankylos and cerotopsians) while spinos were designed to grab and hold fish.

In addition Trex was much smarter than Spino for it had a bigger brain. It also had binocular vision which made it have much better sense of vision then spino did. Finally Trex had a bite 6x more powerfull than spinos being able to possibly produce a bite of 70,000 pounds.

Now before people say well what about jp3 or monsters ressureced well those were accutate but of the old spinosaurs.

For clarrification when Trex bit the spinos neck the fight should have been over as the rex had a fim bite and was using all of its jaw power. However Jack Horner wanted to get rid of the rex so he instead made the spino meraculasly excape the rexes clutches and turn the tables resulting in the rexes death.

Now in Monsters ressurected they used baryonx as a model to make Spino. This proved inaccurate as from the results in comparison with the new specimen Spino was 10 feet to long, his arms and claws were half that size, and his overall look was nothing like it was in that documentary.

Alright now from all this evidence above many of you might be thinking that im pro -rex well im not im just sick and tired of people thinking that spino was the superior predator to rex when they werent even made to hunt the same animals.


Now if Spino and rex were to fight who would win?

If it was a land battle Trex would destroy the spino but in the water spino would beat the rex.


So from all the evidence its concluded that Trex would win 80% of the time due to its bigger brain better eyesight and stronger bite.


Please watch these videos giving more clarity to what i have said before replying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcudL7t6oDk ( if the game models were to fight)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qETwhuhxcsc ( at the end talks about who would win)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoeA6xaVdZo (Paleontologist talks about spino)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Img88X1CQQ (what should have happened in jp3)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannosaurus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinosaurus

[Toarcian]

Lord Max の投稿を引用：

No way giganotosaurus was bigger faster and more suited to a carnivorous lifestyle It would have gone in small groups to take down huge animals like argentinosaurus t rex would have used its large bite force to crush bones or ambush weak prey a larger bite force would work better on animals smaller than yourself giganotosaurus had better slashing teeth that it used to bring doen larger prey.

This is a 1 v1 fight just so you know.
Giganotosaurus was indeed a fearsome predator, but it dosen't realy macth that of a Tyrannosaurus. Tyrannosaurus had an eyesight like an eagle, an amazing sence of smell, a bite force on 8 tons, a top speed at 37 kmph, a bionocular vision and an unusualy large brain for a theropod on it's size, All these traits is something predators have and this suggestes that Tyrannosaurus would have been able to take on everything in it's habitat, Tyrannosaurus was most likely also a pack hunter, footprints and fossil evidence has shown that Tyrannosaurus worked in smaller packs to ambush prey. Giganotosaurus's only upper hand is it's speed, Giganotosaurus could run 50 kmph. We don't realy know how big Giganotosaurus was, our biggest Giganotosaurus is MUCPv-95 and it has been estimated to be on the size of Sue, but again we don't know for sure since we only have the tip of MUCPv-95's lower jaw, but atm Giganotosaurus is just as big as Sue, it's only a bit longer but they are both at the same size, Giganotosaurus also had a tiny brain, smaller than that of Tyrannosaurus, Giganotosaureses had it's eyes on the side of it's head and it had a poor vision, just like that of rhino, in other words it lacks bionocular vision, this means that Giganotosaurus would have big trouble locating fast moving prey like Hadrosaurs and in this case, Tyrannosaurus, Giganotosaurus would have to turn it's head sideways everytime to locate it's target. Giganotosauruses jaw was packed whit knife like teeths, but if they struck bone or other form for hard material they would break due to them being very thin, Tyrannosaurus's teeth, as you may know, are well suited for crushing bone wich again Giganotosaurses teeth just wasn't made for, Tyrannosaurus was also way bulkier than Giganotosaurus, Giganotosaurus was very lightly build, wich gave it's speed advantage, Giganotosaurus had a bite force on 3 tons, thats 5 tons less than that of Tyrannosaurus, Giganotosaurus could bite harder but 3 tons is the limit for what it's jaws could take, Giganotosaurus would break it's jaws if it bit harder than 3 tons and that would certianly set it in a critcal state. Tyrannosaurus also wighted more than Giganotosaurus due to it's bulky-ness, Giganotosaurus as you can tell weighed less because of it's light skeleton. As you can see, Tyrannosaurus realy has the upper hand, Giganotosaurus might have been able to win sometimes, but Tyrannosaurus would win most of the time. I've been in the same situation as you, my favorite dinosaur is Giganotosaurus, and in this case i just need to bite the lemon and take it as it is, beleive me, Tyrannosaurus is far from being my favorite.

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Lord Max の投稿を引用：

take down huge animals like argentinosaurus

Common misconception, Giganotosaurus would've evolved to hunt smaller, safer prey. If someone got the option between hunting a bunch of Geckoes, and hunting a Bear, they'll choose the damn gecko. Even if Giganotosaurus had adapted to hunt larger prey, it would mean that it wasn't adapted to Giganotosaurus would have hunted sauropods, smaller sauropods would have been easier prey but the bigger ones would have been way more difficult, therefor Giganotosaurus probably went after the sick, the young and the dying ones, or most of the time, the smaller species that co-existed whit it. This is also why Giganotosaurus had such poor eyesight, it's way easier to locate big slow prey than small fast moving prey. [/quote]

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Alright now that we are getting into an argument about facts we should put in sources
Tyrannosaurus did not have eagle like vision it had forward facing eyes which gave it good vision for a dinosaur which is saying very little. We know that giganotosaurus hunted sauropods because we have found fossils with injuries on them corresponding to both species. We don't know that t rex had more muscle and giganotosaurus is one ton bigger. Gigo would not have to turn its head, it would just have worse eyesight. A larger brain would not do anything the t rex could not smell out and ambush the gigo (which is what I think it did In real life) because this is a head on fight. If a t rex attacked a triceratops head on It could end two ways: The trici charges knocks over the t rex and the injured crippled trex cannot get up starves, dies of its own wounds, or is eaten by smaller predators. Or the trex dodges its initial attack and kills it with a bite to the neck. 50/50% chance of surviving. We know that some other tyranosaurs hunted in packs but not tyrannosaurus. T rex did not need to take on heavily armored herbivores it could have just chased smaller carnivores from a kill.
I don't have to put in sources yet because this is the base argument.

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I went through this whole entire thread, got some good laughs
+1

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Get out

[Toarcian]

Lord Max の投稿を引用：

Alright now that we are getting into an argument about facts we should put in sources
Tyrannosaurus did not have eagle like vision it had forward facing eyes which gave it good vision for a dinosaur which is saying very little. We know that giganotosaurus hunted sauropods because we have found fossils with injuries on them corresponding to both species. We don't know that t rex had more muscle and giganotosaurus is one ton bigger. Gigo would not have to turn its head, it would just have worse eyesight. A larger brain would not do anything the t rex could not smell out and ambush the gigo (which is what I think it did In real life) because this is a head on fight. If a t rex attacked a triceratops head on It could end two ways: The trici charges knocks over the t rex and the injured crippled trex cannot get up starves, dies of its own wounds, or is eaten by smaller predators. Or the trex dodges its initial attack and kills it with a bite to the neck. 50/50% chance of surviving. We know that some other tyranosaurs hunted in packs but not tyrannosaurus. T rex did not need to take on heavily armored herbivores it could have just chased smaller carnivores from a kill.
I don't have to put in sources yet because this is the base argument.

Where do you get all this info from? Seriously this is soo inaccurate, go look what you said up on the interenet, that might change your mind hopefully.

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Well I said to put reliable sources so we know what is inaccurate but this is what I found
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Giganotosaurus_vs_Tyrannosaurus ( I disagry on the weight),
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinos/trex/Trexgiga.shtml ( XD this is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ ), http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9371601/1/ ( I wish I could still argue on this but some guy banned me as a joke and then left ;-; I still think gigo was 6 tons and trex 5 tons), http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/comparison.jpg,)
If you don't like my sources please dont be mean to mee I will fight you

[I swear this never happens to me]

If my argument aggravates you so much that you actually do want to fight me, I live in LA Lancaster gate, 36 Matland Court fourth floor with my grandparents and am easily recognized as the only multiracial in a school full of black people. If you confront me on the street I will probably be carrying a baseball bat. Just please don't start spamming my profile again ;-;

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Lord Max の投稿を引用：

Well I said to put reliable sources so we know what is inaccurate but this is what I found
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Giganotosaurus_vs_Tyrannosaurus ( I disagry on the weight),
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/dinosaurs/dinos/trex/Trexgiga.shtml ( XD this is a piece of ♥♥♥♥ ), http://carnivoraforum.com/topic/9371601/1/ ( I wish I could still argue on this but some guy banned me as a joke and then left ;-; I still think gigo was 6 tons and trex 5 tons), http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/comparison.jpg,)
If you don't like my sources please dont be mean to mee I will fight you

Oh my god, whats this you've found, this is soo outdated! No way Giganotosaurus was 7 meters tall, How did Tyrannosaurus end up being 5 tons!? And why are they using an outdated over-sized skeletal reconstruction. The first link, Just don't know ♥♥♥♥ about Paleontology, the scond one is an outdated fanboy site, and the third on, oh my, this is way WAY outdated that thread is more than 4 years old. I'd realy suggest that you get away from these sites and start surfing amongst the real 'stuff'
http://www.skeletaldrawing.com/home/mass-estimates-north-vs-south-redux772013?rq=giganotosaurus
http://www.skeletaldrawing.com/home/giant-theropods-north-vs-south772013?rq=giganotosaurus
This here should give you a veiw of a way more realistic picture.

[Toarcian]

Lord Max の投稿を引用：

If my argument aggravates you so much that you actually do want to fight me, I live in LA Lancaster gate, 36 Matland Court fourth floor with my grandparents and am easily recognized as the only multiracial in a school full of black people. If you confront me on the street I will probably be carrying a baseball bat. Just please don't start spamming my profile again ;-;

Is this an argument? And when did i start spamming your profile?

[I swear this never happens to me]

Other people started sending me a bunch of hate mail based on a different carnivora thread, and I took these sources from the first pages I found when I looked up Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus.
Most of the other sources I have found said that giganotosaurus was larger- https://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/tyrannosaurus-vs-giganotosaurus/ (The tiger is too small and should be replaced with a polar bear, the andrewsarcus is an omnivore and the carnotosaurus is not the larges albiesiosaur), http://www.livescience.com/24642-giganotosaurus.html (the size estamates are getting more and more overexagerated), http://www.scified.com/topic/38806. Let's say they were about the same size. Tyrannosaurus may have been more bulky than giganotosaurus, but I think that, unless the t rex could get a grip around its neck) gigo could outmaneuver it and rip at it untill it bleeds out, and I am sticking with my initial argument that t rex was used to ambushing smaller prey or scavenging, and gigo would attack huge prey in small packs.

[Rotiart]

Lord Max の投稿を引用：

Other people started sending me a bunch of hate mail based on a different carnivora thread, and I took these sources from the first pages I found when I looked up Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus.
Most of the other sources I have found said that giganotosaurus was larger- https://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/tyrannosaurus-vs-giganotosaurus/ (The tiger is too small and should be replaced with a polar bear, the andrewsarcus is an omnivore and the carnotosaurus is not the larges albiesiosaur), http://www.livescience.com/24642-giganotosaurus.html (the size estamates are getting more and more overexagerated), http://www.scified.com/topic/38806. Let's say they were about the same size. Tyrannosaurus may have been more bulky than giganotosaurus, but I think that, unless the t rex could get a grip around its neck) gigo could outmaneuver it and rip at it untill it bleeds out, and I am sticking with my initial argument that t rex was used to ambushing smaller prey or scavenging, and gigo would attack huge prey in small packs.

All predators are scavengers, the ones that turn their noses up to a corpse laying around in their path went extinct.
Evidence suggests that Tyrannosaurs hunted in small family units, not unlike the packs that Giganotosaurs formed
Just sayin'

[Toarcian]

Lord Max の投稿を引用：

Other people started sending me a bunch of hate mail based on a different carnivora thread, and I took these sources from the first pages I found when I looked up Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus.
Most of the other sources I have found said that giganotosaurus was larger- https://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/tyrannosaurus-vs-giganotosaurus/ (The tiger is too small and should be replaced with a polar bear, the andrewsarcus is an omnivore and the carnotosaurus is not the larges albiesiosaur), http://www.livescience.com/24642-giganotosaurus.html (the size estamates are getting more and more overexagerated), http://www.scified.com/topic/38806. Let's say they were about the same size. Tyrannosaurus may have been more bulky than giganotosaurus, but I think that, unless the t rex could get a grip around its neck) gigo could outmaneuver it and rip at it untill it bleeds out, and I am sticking with my initial argument that t rex was used to ambushing smaller prey or scavenging, and gigo would attack huge prey in small packs.

Giganotosaurus could not attack a higly active Tyrannosaurus like that, as i said before Giganotosaurus lacks a bionocular vision, this means it would constantely need to turn it heads sideways to locate it's target since it can't look forward, therefore would Giganotosaurus have big trouble outmaneouvering a Tyrannosaurus, plus it had very poor eyesight and was rather dumb, this gives Tyrannosaurus a huge advantages since it's, more intellegent, it has a Bionocular vision, it's heavier and it's used to go against Giganotosaurus-sized prey. And Giganotosaurus went after easy prey like smaller sauropods like limaysaurus, it did not eat argentinasaureses since these two never met each other, the biggest Titanosaur that co-existed whit Giganotosaurus was a Andesaurus and this would still be fairly easy prey for a pack of Giganotosaureses, but as i said most of it time it ate smaller sauropods since they where way easier to kill whitout wasting too much energy.

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Lord Max の投稿を引用：

Other people started sending me a bunch of hate mail based on a different carnivora thread, and I took these sources from the first pages I found when I looked up Tyrannosaurus vs Giganotosaurus.
Most of the other sources I have found said that giganotosaurus was larger- https://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/tyrannosaurus-vs-giganotosaurus/ (The tiger is too small and should be replaced with a polar bear, the andrewsarcus is an omnivore and the carnotosaurus is not the larges albiesiosaur), http://www.livescience.com/24642-giganotosaurus.html (the size estamates are getting more and more overexagerated), http://www.scified.com/topic/38806. Let's say they were about the same size. Tyrannosaurus may have been more bulky than giganotosaurus, but I think that, unless the t rex could get a grip around its neck) gigo could outmaneuver it and rip at it untill it bleeds out, and I am sticking with my initial argument that t rex was used to ambushing smaller prey or scavenging, and gigo would attack huge prey in small packs.

All predators are scavengers, the ones that turn their noses up to a corpse laying around in their path went extinct.
Evidence suggests that Tyrannosaurs hunted in small family units, not unlike the packs that Giganotosaurs formed
Just sayin'

If we follow his book then Giganotosaurus was a scavenger, since we have no evidence of it being an actul 'Sauropod killer'. The closest evidence we have that suggestes it ate sauropods is that we know Carcharodontosaurus attacked Saurpods in it's time.

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http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/dinosaursinpopculture/ss/Giganotosaurus-vs-Argentinosaurus.htm They both lived about 100 million years ago in argentina and we have found fossils of argentinosauruses with injuries corrasponding to a large theropod, and the only large allosaur in the area was gigonatosaurus. I am tired of copy and pasting sources, if anyone does not believe me go and find something that says otherwise. http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/dinosaursinpopculture/ss/Tyrannosaurus-Rex-vs-Triceratops.htm ( I did not know I had a bite force strong enough to crush two of me ) I do not think it could get up, certainly not if it had a broken bone or heavy wounds. I believe that t rex would not risk such large, heavily armored prey, and would stick to carrion, or if it could not find any, would ambush juvenile, sick, or slow hadrosaurs with its heightened senses. Yes, a giganotosaurus would not turn down a carcass, but argentinosaurus lived up to one hundred years, and would certainly not be taken out by any other predators. What I am saying is that t rex would specialize in scavenging, using its good sense of smell, could sniff out a carcase and chase raptors or smaller tyrannosaurs of a kill. Giganotosaurus had average vision for a theropod, which was usually crap, but it did not have to turn it's head 90 degrees to look at something, that would not let it survive at all, and would end up with it running off cliffs, or sprinting in to deliver a finishing blow, pausing, turning its head and stumbling around trying to see its prey, and getting crushed under 100 tons.
Evolution would not allow that to happen. I don't see how improved intellect and senses will help here, the t rex could probably win by sneaking up on the giganotosaurus when it is alone or distracted, and grabbing its neck. However, that would not be fair, so this is a head on fight.