What's best for Chloe? (EP3 Spoilers)

[MeatThatDad]

I've seen many threads where people do not wish to see Chloe in a wheelchair.
I wish those people would look at that situation from a different perspective.

The Chloe we've come to know and love; her father is dead, her mother has remarried to a person she(and all players) hate, she's been expelled from school, she owes money to a drug dealer, and her best friend is a Missing Person.

Alternatively, in the other timeline, both of her parents are alive and love her unconditionally, she graduates and is able to accomplish many things, despite her disability, and always has a smile on her face.

I honestly believe that if Chloe was able to see and choose a timeline, by way of Max showing her them, Chloe would choose to be in the wheelchair.

And as myself only being able to play Max, in the forthcoming episodes, I will do whatever I can to put Chloe in that wheelchair.

[jesse.bona]

Chloe might choose that, but there's no way her father ever would. He's the one who was the subject of the change and the only one whose opinion really matters imo.

[MeatThatDad]

Originally posted by jesse.bona:

Chloe might choose that, but there's no way her father ever would. He's the one who was the subject of the change and the only one whose opinion really matters imo.

Yes, no parent would ever want to see their child paralyzed.
But, we as players are led to believe that Chloe was paralyzed as the result of a car accident, in the same car William and Joyce got her.

[Darth Biomech]

We don't know what else is gone havoc in this timeline. They dying-offs here are obviously way more intense than in the !original timeline, which tends me to thing that this timeline is way more f___d up in comparison to original one. Max being in the Club suggest that.

[morbosfist]

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

Alternatively, in the other timeline, both of her parents are alive and love her unconditionally, she graduates and is able to accomplish many things, despite her disability, and always has a smile on her face.

Assuming that is true.

We don't know when the accident was past her birthday (that's two years of blank space), if she lost her mom in said accident as is speculated, that she graduated, and that she isn't merely happy now because her old friend is back. Sure, you can paint it rosy, but it's just your assumption, a rather optimistic one I might add.

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

I honestly believe that if Chloe was able to see and choose a timeline, by way of Max showing her them, Chloe would choose to be in the wheelchair.

If it meant saving her dad, yeah, but what if there are further consequences? We already see whales beaching themselves.

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

And as myself only being able to play Max, in the forthcoming episodes, I will do whatever I can to put Chloe in that wheelchair.

As the above have said, main timeline Chloe might accept that trade, but you can bet William would do the reverse to have Chloe walking around.

Also, assuming your rosy prediction doesn't play out, would you still insist on that?

[MeatThatDad]

Originally posted by morbosfist:

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

Alternatively, in the other timeline, both of her parents are alive and love her unconditionally, she graduates and is able to accomplish many things, despite her disability, and always has a smile on her face.

Assuming that is true.

We don't know when the accident was past her birthday (that's two years of blank space), if she lost her mom in said accident as is speculated, that she graduated, and that she isn't merely happy now because her old friend is back. Sure, you can paint it rosy, but it's just your assumption, a rather optimistic one I might add.

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

I honestly believe that if Chloe was able to see and choose a timeline, by way of Max showing her them, Chloe would choose to be in the wheelchair.

If it meant saving her dad, yeah, but what if there are further consequences? We already see whales beaching themselves.

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

And as myself only being able to play Max, in the forthcoming episodes, I will do whatever I can to put Chloe in that wheelchair.

As the above have said, main timeline Chloe might accept that trade, but you can bet William would do the reverse to have Chloe walking around.

Also, assuming your rosy prediction doesn't play out, would you still insist on that?

Choosing to relegate a person to a wheelchair is in no way "rosy", just what I believe to be best case scenario thus far.
William's death led to nothing but trouble for Chloe, even if she could walk.
William would rather be there for Chloe, even in a chair, than not be there at all.
Chloe would rather be in a chair and have William there for her, than be able to walk and have William in the ground.
Even though I find it heartbreaking to see Chloe in that chair, I do believe that wheelchair timeline is best.

[Taomiline]

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

...in the forthcoming episodes, I will do whatever I can to put Chloe in that wheelchair.

Laughing at how insane this sounds out of context. Oh my God... EDIT: I mean this as a positive thing. Just realized it might seem otherwise.

Chloe does a lot happier in the wheelchair timeline, and if it was just about Chloe I'd also choose to save William. But I really need more info on the "wheelchair timeline" to figure out the big picture - Like what's going on with RA, Kate, Nathan etc... (I like Nathan. I wanna know if he's doing better in this timeline.)

But if I was to make up my mind with only Chloe's best interests at heart, I'd save William too. Hands down.

[Xigua]

"(And all players) hate"

Speakf or yourself youd ense ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you're probably a whiny teen like that inmature whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ chloe.

[jesse.bona]

Originally posted by Daedroth:

"(And all players) hate"

Speakf or yourself youd ense ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you're probably a whiny teen like that inmature whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ chloe.

Ah irony, my old friend, we meet again.

[Taomiline]

Originally posted by jesse.bona:

Originally posted by Daedroth:

"(And all players) hate"

Speakf or yourself youd ense ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you're probably a whiny teen like that inmature whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ chloe.

Ah irony, my old friend, we meet again.

Beginning to wish steam had a like-button for comments...

[PhOeNiX1213]

Originally posted by Daedroth:

"(And all players) hate"

Speakf or yourself youd ense ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you're probably a whiny teen like that inmature whiny ♥♥♥♥♥ chloe.

Awww, I wanted to be the one to say this.... in a much less insulting, and aggressive tone.

Personally I like David. Not the slapping, or stalking; but as a character, and for his underlying intentions... I really hope he's an example of how the game ISN'T sexist being a: complex, conflicted, well meaning male character masquerading as the: evil, conservative, "men are evil angry beasts" stereotype.

Also he really does seem happier in the alternate timeline he really "doesn't want to fight anyone anymore." At least I hope that's the case, and it's not: "lol look at the angry security manager, now he's a loser bus driver!"

[vitezke]

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

Originally posted by morbosfist:

Assuming that is true.

We don't know when the accident was past her birthday (that's two years of blank space), if she lost her mom in said accident as is speculated, that she graduated, and that she isn't merely happy now because her old friend is back. Sure, you can paint it rosy, but it's just your assumption, a rather optimistic one I might add.

If it meant saving her dad, yeah, but what if there are further consequences? We already see whales beaching themselves.

As the above have said, main timeline Chloe might accept that trade, but you can bet William would do the reverse to have Chloe walking around.

Also, assuming your rosy prediction doesn't play out, would you still insist on that?

Choosing to relegate a person to a wheelchair is in no way "rosy", just what I believe to be best case scenario thus far.
William's death led to nothing but trouble for Chloe, even if she could walk.
William would rather be there for Chloe, even in a chair, than not be there at all.
Chloe would rather be in a chair and have William there for her, than be able to walk and have William in the ground.
Even though I find it heartbreaking to see Chloe in that chair, I do believe that wheelchair timeline is best.

When we see Chole's smile, it maybe just for Max and it does not mean she is really happy in that timeline. E.g. what about if her mother is dead in that timeline?

Anyway If Max has been / is / was (what verb tense is the good choice for time travelling ???) able to save William, why everybody think she cannot (will not / etc ... ) save Chloe by going back to the car accident of Chloe on that timeline?

If Chloe's mother is (would be / etc.) dead she can save her, too. Etc, etc.
Just making an alternate of alternate of alternate reality.

Max has the power!

[Satsujinki]

I didn't know she was happy in her wheelchair because I saved William from accident and now...I was like..."Did I created it into butterfly effect or what?" I was being confused because I originally thought she is punk Chloe and now...she is disabled.

[blackhawk01x]

While she looks happy to see Max again, we do not know if she is happy in life, too. So it's difficult to say which life is better for her, just from the one look at her we saw at the end of episode 3.

Though, I kinda like the "Punk-Chloe" (if Max just could fix her mistrust and behaviour a tiny bit to the better ^^).

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

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Alternatively, in the other timeline, both of her parents are alive and love her unconditionally, she graduates and is able to accomplish many things, despite her disability, and always has a smile on her face.
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That's actually the point where I really need to wait for episode 4 to appear before I can say what is better.
We only saw Chloe and William so far, no sign was given about Joyce. Seeing on how Dontnod played with our emotions so far... I would not be surprised if Joyce probably was in the same car-accident like Chloe and maybe died. (and she had no chance to rebell since she is paralyzed)
I don't think she could not handle Chloe being handicapped, since I think she loves her too much for that (so I don't think there is a "She ran away from the situation"-chance)

So before Joyce is not show well and alive at Chloe's side, I won't judge if this life is better or not.

[Rinkashi]

Originally posted by MeatThatDad:

Originally posted by jesse.bona:

Chloe might choose that, but there's no way her father ever would. He's the one who was the subject of the change and the only one whose opinion really matters imo.

Yes, no parent would ever want to see their child paralyzed.

If I was Chloe's dad, I would rather have her crippled/paralyzed than have her get in all sort of trouble which will kill her one day (happened twice already! (3 times actually if you also count the "death" when shooting the car bumper)). The Chloe in the wheelchair looks happy (although we don't know if she actually is happy) while the other Chloe is angry at pretty much everyone in the game, and involved with the wrong people.

Personally I want an 'in the middle' Chloe

Also, I think that David really wants the best for Kate/Max/Chloe/Rachel, he just does not know how to show it. At the end of EP.2, he looks really sad after Kate tried to jump (even if she didn't). (maybe he has PTSD?)

[Taiga Aisaka]

Technically, alt timeline Chloe is a better Chloe. But I have to believe in the other timeline where Chloe is damaged, there is still hope for her to change and be a better person. There is still hope she can find peace and happiness. So I want to say, because we are supposed to have freewill, the timeline with which she still has full use of her legs, maybe that is the best?

God I don't know. I suppose it depends on the randomness of life. Meaning, I can't predict what Punk Chloe will do with her life, or what place she can get emotionally. Where she is at now, is not good. She basically got killed by Nathan lol And she was into some really deep ♥♥♥♥. Her life was spiraling fast out of control, and I kind of have my doubts she would have survived without Max (in fact, she wouldn't have without us intervening). So in that sense, wheelchair Chloe is better, just for the fact she gets to live.

I guess on a purely emotional level, I think Wheelchair Chloe might be best for her, because she's mentally/emotionally happy. Whereas Punk Chloe is so damaged. She's suffered so much pain with the loss of her father and Max cutting her out of her life. Chloe is really wounded, and she's so miserable. If Punk Chloe can actually live and get out of this hell without dying, then I do think she could find happiness and turn her life around. But Punk Chloie 100% depends on Max having to intervene using time travel to get her through these things.