Life is Strange™

Life is Strange™

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Igris Jul 27, 2021 @ 8:58am
I don't think Chloe is that great of a character....
I liked her back in like 2015 when I was like 16/17, but now 6 years later, after replaying, I realize she is not that good.
Her character barely changes through the game.
She literally doesn't learn from her mistakes.
She pretty much uses Max without really giving a damn what happens to her, just as long as she gets what she wants.
A bit of a hypocrite...
I'd say things like selfish, rude, awful friend etc. but these are pretty much obvious....
I don't mind "rebel teen" characters, but she doesn't have any kind of development by the end really. And when the end comes, suddenly she cares? I am sorry, but that kinda came out of nowhere.
It's a shame they missed any potential with her, especially since she was only 1 season character and we will probably never see her or Max ever again.
Max is pretty good btw, before ya ask. I liked her more.
[ SPOILER ALERT FOR LIFE IS STRANGE 2 ]
By what David says in episode 5 him and Chloe made peace and are talking quite a lot now. I feel like that should've been shown in the first game. How their relationship develops. That could've been a good story to tell, to see how Chloe and David bond after Arcadia Bay gets destroyed by tornado.
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Şeyma Jul 27, 2021 @ 11:25am 
the scene where she shoots the gun at the car and it ricochets back and hits her sums her character up pretty well in my opinion
charly4711 Jul 27, 2021 @ 12:13pm 
So characters in LiS aren't either all good or all bad?
Personally, I don't feel like she doesn't care. She's just spent the last couple of years trying to act too cool to care. She was frozen in that state of being mad at her dad for dying. And yes, I would agree we're only start of her journey out of that space, but I wouldn't say there's no development, at all.
Prinegon Jul 27, 2021 @ 7:03pm 
Originally posted by casey:
I liked her back in like 2015 when I was like 16/17, but now 6 years later, after replaying, I realize she is not that good.

This is being called "growing up". Your perspective in life changed and you are able to view Chloe from a different angle, that's all.
I personally like the depth of Chloe's arc a lot, if you add everything we learn about her in Before the Storm. Chloe never was able to move on from loosing her dad and is struggleing with how she should feel about it. On the one side she feels like she is the only one who cares that he is gone - Max was not there to share her pain, her mom not only found her happiess again in the arms of another man, but wasn't even able to keep the memory of William alive putting away every personal item of him so she would not be reminded.
On the other hand she wants to defy everyting her dad stood for out of revenge. Her dad was an upright lawbiding person who never did wrong in life (or at least this is, what Chloe thinks her dad was), but ultimately it didn't help him - he died anyways. Why follow the rules, when the rules won't protect you? Why make your dad proud, if he wouldn't be around to show his pride?
In BTS there is one additional perspective to this: Rachel Amber. Chloe is fascinated with her, because she has, what Chloe wants: She is Mrs. Perfect in a perfect family (of course we learn, that this is an illusion and the Ambers are not perfect at all. We also learn, that Rachel also envys Chloe for her No-Care-Attitude and strifes to be like her, starting their interactions with each other). So for a while Rachel is salvation to Chloe, her link to the loving family life she lost.
When all of the sudden Rachel gets ripped out of her life, as her dad before, it reignites the thrauma. Again her dream of being part of a loving family gets ripped apart, thats why she couldn't accept Rachel to be gone for good. Chloe is stuck in this emotionaly dilemma at the point, Max reenters in her life.
A lot of her interaction with Max is due to lack of trust. Max has shown in the past, that she isn't reliable as a friend. Opening up to her only enables her to hurt Chloe again, like she has done before. But Chloe is not able to reject her, since in her situation she is drowning for someone, anyone to be at her side. So in order to let Max into her life again, she tries to micromanagement every interaction with her and never loose control to her. That is why she orders Max around and doesn't treat her like an equal.

You complain, that Chloe has never overcome her faults in LIS1 and changed. If that was true, you'd have to realize that we only see the events of 5 days. It would be quite unusual if we saw her personality change in such a short time frame too much.
But we can see some change in her as well - baby steps perhaps, but they are there. For her to let take Max over the conversation with Frank at the trailer is a huge deal. She has no reason to trust Max to be able to deal with him at all, or even having her best interest in resolving her problem in the first place, but if you choose the right conversation options, Chloe will listen to Max and let her deal with Frank.
And then there is the big one right at the end, that for you came out of the blue: her willingness to self sacrifice to safe Arcadia Bay. While I agree that DontNod failed to show Chloes development on this one - mainly because they didn't follow Chloes character arc coming to this point, but Max - but also because they rushed the ending and didn't have the budget to do it propperly, if you fill in the blanks yourself, the change of heart is not too surprising.
What was Chloes drive for her actions? The wish to reconnect to the time when she was happy with Rachel. Up to the point when they found the remains of her in the junkyard, there was no need for Chloe to second guess her actions, since nothing she did seems in contradiction to her goal. But her goal got destroyed the moment she had to realize, Rachel is dead. This is the turning point for her character arc, the moment she can eigher grow as an individuum, or fail and turn to the dark side. And at first, she failed. She gets consumed by blind rage and tries to kill Nathan.
But having experienced this event it is believable to become a different person. Problem with LIS1 is, that the triggering moment for her character change is not shown, but happened offscreen: Being convinced that she had to hide from Jefferson, instead of killing him and getting put through worrying to loose Max as well during the vortex, while Chloe carried her to the lighthouse and Max health deteriated. Her worry about Max is the trigger for her to change. We had some foreshadowing of this, when Chloe worried about Max fainting in the junkyard, so we know, she cared about Max wellbeing. And if the story would have been told properly DontNod would have shown her worry, while she brought Max to the lighthouse, her blaiming herself for this, her bargaining, if Max survived this vortex, Chloe pledged to change. But we got some flashbacks and lighthouse-hide-and-seek-game instead.
Cyborg225 Aug 8, 2021 @ 3:36pm 
Yeah, Chloe is pretty much the worst. Rachel too. I've gone over a lot of that stuff and people still get upset over it but can never counter it.
They just excuse her terrible behavior.

And another thing, Chloe did not worry over max passing out at the junkyard. In fact, right after max woke back up, Chloe wanted to get back to using her for her powers like a toy.
Chloe really didn't develop at all. The end of episode 5 was such a rushed train wreck. It was meant to make emotional players want to save Chloe by lying to the player by making her seem like a better person.
That stupid dream sequence was a distraction. If you go back and watch the moments from the last part of it, you'll see it's all just meaningless garbage taken out of context.
Nvj Sep 16, 2021 @ 7:40am 
Chloe's character development is more significant than Max.
Sad you are not able to see it.
Igris Sep 16, 2021 @ 10:19am 
Originally posted by Nvj:
Chloe's character development is more significant than Max.
Sad you are not able to see it.
Except there is none, she just changes her mind in last 10 minutes of episode 5 really. For whole 4 episodes she was just acting like a immature spoiled brat who'd cry over everything. Get herself killed almost like 4 times. She doesn't think and her saying in the end "ayo sacrifice me" really comes out of nowhere. I replayed this game like 12 times. Max's development was way better and way more natural.
Braylovsky Nov 27, 2021 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by Nvj:
Chloe's character development is more significant than Max.
Sad you are not able to see it.

No.

Sad you believe that.
Lilothestitch16 Dec 15, 2021 @ 10:38am 
First of all, Chloe didn't use Max. Second of all, she loved Max and cared about her, third of all, she was abandoned by everyone, and fourth of all, she lost her dad in a car crash, and fifth of all She and Rachel are loving caring people.
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
First of all, Chloe didn't use Max. Second of all, she loved Max and cared about her, third of all, she was abandoned by everyone, and fourth of all, she lost her dad in a car crash, and fifth of all She and Rachel are loving caring people.

She was not abandoned by everyone she was barely abandoned by anyone.
Lilothestitch16 Dec 15, 2021 @ 1:39pm 
Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
First of all, Chloe didn't use Max. Second of all, she loved Max and cared about her, third of all, she was abandoned by everyone, and fourth of all, she lost her dad in a car crash, and fifth of all She and Rachel are loving caring people.

She was not abandoned by everyone she was barely abandoned by anyone.
Yes she was abandoned by everyone
Igris Dec 15, 2021 @ 1:45pm 
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

She was not abandoned by everyone she was barely abandoned by anyone.
Yes she was abandoned by everyone
Her mom didn't leave her
David didn't leave her
Rachel didn't leave her

Max just dropped contact but who knows why really.
So Max is the only one who really left her, her dad didn't die on purpose nor did Rachel. Unless Max is "everyone" then ig u are right.
Lilothestitch16 Dec 15, 2021 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by casey:
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
Yes she was abandoned by everyone
Her mom didn't leave her
David didn't leave her
Rachel didn't leave her

Max just dropped contact but who knows why really.
So Max is the only one who really left her, her dad didn't die on purpose nor did Rachel. Unless Max is "everyone" then ig u are right.
David didn't love Chloe and Joyce treated Chloe like her feelings didn't matter and chose David over her. Rachel loved Chloe and cared about her and Chloe loved and cared about Max.
Igris Dec 15, 2021 @ 2:09pm 
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
Originally posted by casey:
Her mom didn't leave her
David didn't leave her
Rachel didn't leave her

Max just dropped contact but who knows why really.
So Max is the only one who really left her, her dad didn't die on purpose nor did Rachel. Unless Max is "everyone" then ig u are right.
David didn't love Chloe and Joyce treated Chloe like her feelings didn't matter and chose David over her. Rachel loved Chloe and cared about her and Chloe loved and cared about Max.
If you really think David didn't love Chloe, then you need to replay the first game and BTS. He loved her and wanted to protect her, he never hated her. You missed the whole point of him.
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

She was not abandoned by everyone she was barely abandoned by anyone.
Yes she was abandoned by everyone

Chloe pushing people away isn't the same thing I'm sorry. Granted i get the reason why she puts that barrier up her grief over losing William. There is however a very clear difference between Chloe's attitude and her being abandoned by people.

Joyce still loves her daughter and still attempts to be there for her.
David as misguided and while clearly doesn't have the best handle on how to deal with her still cares for her. He even pretty much admits that the way he dealt with her wasn't the best in Life Is Strange 2 but still cared for her.
Rachel doesn't abandon her.
Steph doesn't abandon her. One part of the Steph DLC is entirely about her coping with the anniversary of Chloe's potential death.
Mikey doesn't abandon her.
Eliot doesn't abandon her.

Ironically the only person you can potentially say abandoned her is Max because she moved to Seattle and dropped contact. Season one alone establishes neither attempted to maintain contact. Before the Storm adds to that and shows Chloe at least wrote letters even if she never sent them (Never quite got why BTS decided to paint Max in a bad light there)

Originally posted by casey:
If you really think David didn't love Chloe, then you need to replay the first game and BTS. He loved her and wanted to protect her, he never hated her. You missed the whole point of him.

And the finale of Season two.
Last edited by MorningLightMountain; Dec 15, 2021 @ 2:13pm
Lilothestitch16 Dec 15, 2021 @ 2:55pm 
Originally posted by casey:
Originally posted by Lilothestitch:
David didn't love Chloe and Joyce treated Chloe like her feelings didn't matter and chose David over her. Rachel loved Chloe and cared about her and Chloe loved and cared about Max.
If you really think David didn't love Chloe, then you need to replay the first game and BTS. He loved her and wanted to protect her, he never hated her. You missed the whole point of him.
No he didn't! He manipulated and abused her!
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Date Posted: Jul 27, 2021 @ 8:58am
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