A little accuracy would be appreciated

[RM60]

For the mask shard of the preyer, it says to "celebrate the GODHOOD of Judas Iscariot." Where to even begin with this utter garbage? Please be considerate of what you are putting in your game. How about these more accurate adjectives wickedness, evil, selfishness, failure, frailty, faithlessness?

[PanVlk]

Maybe, just maybe it's because KC:D is a historical portrayal of very real events from very real Kingdom of Bohemia in 15th century, and this is a fictional "what if" fantasy game portraying church wizard commandos.

You guys seem to be so obsessed with your fantasy tales, you are completely oblivious to the fact someone can choose to retell them differently within their own fantasy settings.

[Pepsi the Sprite]

Originally posted by PanVlk:

Maybe, just maybe it's because KC:D is a historical portrayal of very real events from very real Kingdom of Bohemia in 15th century, and this is a fictional "what if" fantasy game portraying church wizard commandos.

You guys seem to be so obsessed with your fantasy tales, you are completely oblivious to the fact someone can choose to retell them differently within their own fantasy settings.

And what you're condoning is appropriation. It's taking what's sacred to others, and perverting it -knowingly or unknowingly- for entertainment and exploitation.

It's extremely important to those who are Christian that the Bible is presented in a way that is clear, concise, and accurate, as we have an understanding that it is the way to enter into a saving relationship with Jesus Christ which has literally eternal consequences.

Aside from that, as I keep stressing, having been through this game for 65 hours now, the assets, game world, characters, and premise have nothing to do with Christianity. The game would be better served with its own unique lore.

Given that you've made several mocking responses to my posts now, why is it important to you that I stop talking about what is sacred and important to me in a relevant thread?

[PanVlk]

Originally posted by Pepsi the Sprite:

Given that you've made several mocking responses to my posts now, why is it important to you that I stop talking about what is sacred and important to me in a relevant thread?

It's not particularly important to me, I just find it really dumb to get so upset over what is fundamentally just a harmless fanfiction for another fantasy tale.

[Pepsi the Sprite]

Originally posted by PanVlk:

Originally posted by Pepsi the Sprite:

Given that you've made several mocking responses to my posts now, why is it important to you that I stop talking about what is sacred and important to me in a relevant thread?

It's not particularly important to me, I just find it really dumb to get so upset over what is fundamentally just a harmless fanfiction for another fantasy tale.

Okay. So you're just arguing to argue. Gotcha bud. 👍

[Tentacle of Ozric]

Originally posted by Pepsi the Sprite:

Originally posted by PanVlk:

Maybe, just maybe it's because KC:D is a historical portrayal of very real events from very real Kingdom of Bohemia in 15th century, and this is a fictional "what if" fantasy game portraying church wizard commandos.

You guys seem to be so obsessed with your fantasy tales, you are completely oblivious to the fact someone can choose to retell them differently within their own fantasy settings.

And what you're condoning is appropriation. It's taking what's sacred to others, and perverting it -knowingly or unknowingly- for entertainment and exploitation.

It's important to understand that what's sacred to you maybe means nothing to others. They can mock it, pervert it, exploit it and no amount of arguing will probably change their minds. And that's ok, such is life. There are bad people out there who will mock your religion just for their own twisted definition of "fun".

The only way you could really do something about it is to change the law, affect the lawmakers so that such actions will be considered a crime, so that the mockers / offenders can be punished in the court of law.
In the case of this game, we can ask a simple question - did the game devs break any law by depicting their own version of "christianity" the way they did ?
- yes: let's report to authorities
- no: let's accept the fact that maybe deeply religious people are not the target audience

[AdrianChm]

> The Cross is not associated with Judas Iscariot, but with Jesus Christ.

In our world.

This is not our world.

There are many assumptions about the world of Witchfire, most of them are wrong. But someone does get it:

> I feel there's more going on but we won't get the full picture until we get the full release.

Yes.

I don't want to spoil the surprises, but I'll give you a hint. Witchfire is a 'what if' game. It takes familiar elements from our history and reimagines them, creating an alternate world where certain events happened differently or didn't happen at all. For example, in Witchfire, the cross isn't a symbol of Christ but a symbol of punishment, which is why it's etched on the weapons.

As for the 'blasphemy' concern, if using the Old Testament or historical and fictional figures in new contexts within an alternate universe bothers you, then yes, Witchfire — much like Hellsing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and similar works — may not be for you.

[Shrinkshooter]

Originally posted by Pepsi the Sprite:

And what you're condoning is appropriation. It's taking what's sacred to others, and perverting it -knowingly or unknowingly- for entertainment and exploitation.

You are pearl-clutching to an extreme degree. If this game contained content that was actively malicious and obviously intended to crap on and offend Christians, then you'd have a point; if this was something blatantly and intentionally irreverent because it was made in a mean-spirited fashion by someone who hates Christians, I'd agree with you.

That is not what is happening here and if you think so, your perspective is wildly askew and commands little respect as a result.

Simply portraying a fictional 'fact' as an alternative event in this setting is completely fine. You're kicking up a storm as though the dev added an unskippable cutscene of Jesus getting boned in the bum by a blue haired radfem with a strapon.

Now, I am aware you won't change your mind, but you'll be hard pressed to convince anyone that you're right. As someone who was a Roman Catholic for 20 years, this doesn't approach the threshold of "sacrilegious" or "blasphemous" or "heretical" or whatever else, it's just a non-offensive alteration of something in a fictional world. "What if Judas never betrayed Jesus?" is not even remotely a horrendous question to ask.

[Pepsi the Sprite]

Originally posted by AdrianChm:

As for the 'blasphemy' concern, if using the Old Testament or historical and fictional figures in new contexts within an alternate universe bothers you, then yes, Witchfire — much like Hellsing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and similar works — may not be for you.

I'm disappointed. I think you're making a mistake.

But all right, as you say.

[Name]

Originally posted by RM60:

For the mask shard of the preyer, it says to "celebrate the GODHOOD of Judas Iscariot." Where to even begin with this utter garbage? Please be considerate of what you are putting in your game. How about these more accurate adjectives wickedness, evil, selfishness, failure, frailty, faithlessness?

Hmm.. Seems like the devs might not like Jesus tbh. Specifically taking a jab at him?

[Name]

Originally posted by RM60:

Originally posted by Name:

Just shoot stuff, there doesn't need to be a problem.

Wow... your contribution to this discussion is so wise and impactful that who need say another word? The contribution of a base man of the lesser sort? Yet, I am compelled to give you more grace.

Some people actually like to discuss things and if possible be a part of making things better. I would encourage you to realize this and maybe realize that your apathy and lack of direction in life coupled with your desires to only satisfy the dictates of your flesh are leaving you lacking. In simple words, find something to stand for and stand for it. You'll be happier.

I mean sure, Judas was a traitorous chosenite and here we are making him a god. I get it..

[battledroll]

Originally posted by AdrianChm:

takes familiar elements from our history and reimagines them, creating an alternate world

I almost take goofy moral relativism as a given in AAA games these days so no worries

[Bam Bam]

Originally posted by Shrinkshooter:

Originally posted by Pepsi the Sprite:

And what you're condoning is appropriation. It's taking what's sacred to others, and perverting it -knowingly or unknowingly- for entertainment and exploitation.

You are pearl-clutching to an extreme degree. If this game contained content that was actively malicious and obviously intended to crap on and offend Christians, then you'd have a point; if this was something blatantly and intentionally irreverent because it was made in a mean-spirited fashion by someone who hates Christians, I'd agree with you.

That is not what is happening here and if you think so, your perspective is wildly askew and commands little respect as a result.

Simply portraying a fictional 'fact' as an alternative event in this setting is completely fine. You're kicking up a storm as though the dev added an unskippable cutscene of Jesus getting boned in the bum by a blue haired radfem with a strapon.

Now, I am aware you won't change your mind, but you'll be hard pressed to convince anyone that you're right. As someone who was a Roman Catholic for 20 years, this doesn't approach the threshold of "sacrilegious" or "blasphemous" or "heretical" or whatever else, it's just a non-offensive alteration of something in a fictional world. "What if Judas never betrayed Jesus?" is not even remotely a horrendous question to ask.

Yup, what he said. Haven't seen a mean-spirited edgy vibe, like you get in corporate slop now. I just see entertainment, an amazing concept.

[RM60]

Originally posted by AdrianChm:

> The Cross is not associated with Judas Iscariot, but with Jesus Christ.

In our world.

This is not our world.

There are many assumptions about the world of Witchfire, most of them are wrong. But someone does get it:

> I feel there's more going on but we won't get the full picture until we get the full release.

Yes.

I don't want to spoil the surprises, but I'll give you a hint. Witchfire is a 'what if' game. It takes familiar elements from our history and reimagines them, creating an alternate world where certain events happened differently or didn't happen at all. For example, in Witchfire, the cross isn't a symbol of Christ but a symbol of punishment, which is why it's etched on the weapons.

As for the 'blasphemy' concern, if using the Old Testament or historical and fictional figures in new contexts within an alternate universe bothers you, then yes, Witchfire — much like Hellsing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and similar works — may not be for you.

Thank you for the reply. I am looking forward to seeing how you do this without intentionally pissing people off that your game clearly targets (Christians), but I would like to point our the symbol of the cross is still a symbol of punishment in Christianity. It is where Jesus took our punishment upon Himself so we wouldn't have to be punished for our sins. It is also a symbol of love because of who He is and it is a reminder of what He went through for us.

Anyway, I like the game so far, just might be very disappointed that it is not ultimately penitent knights fighting to purify evil (you know, what I was kinda sold on).

[WeaverDuck]

Originally posted by RM60:

Originally posted by AdrianChm:

> The Cross is not associated with Judas Iscariot, but with Jesus Christ.

In our world.

This is not our world.

There are many assumptions about the world of Witchfire, most of them are wrong. But someone does get it:

> I feel there's more going on but we won't get the full picture until we get the full release.

Yes.

I don't want to spoil the surprises, but I'll give you a hint. Witchfire is a 'what if' game. It takes familiar elements from our history and reimagines them, creating an alternate world where certain events happened differently or didn't happen at all. For example, in Witchfire, the cross isn't a symbol of Christ but a symbol of punishment, which is why it's etched on the weapons.

As for the 'blasphemy' concern, if using the Old Testament or historical and fictional figures in new contexts within an alternate universe bothers you, then yes, Witchfire — much like Hellsing, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and similar works — may not be for you.

Thank you for the reply. I am looking forward to seeing how you do this without intentionally pissing people off that your game clearly targets (Christians), but I would like to point our the symbol of the cross is still a symbol of punishment in Christianity. It is where Jesus took our punishment upon Himself so we wouldn't have to be punished for our sins. It is also a symbol of love because of who He is and it is a reminder of what He went through for us.

Anyway, I like the game so far, just might be very disappointed that it is not ultimately penitent knights fighting to purify evil (you know, what I was kinda sold on).

I dont think normal people will be pissed at devs for anything. Its a game anyway and you are assuming too much. They told you already already its alternative world with different lore - it may be completely backwards. If they were 100% true to source materials church would have to be the bad guys and witch innocent.

Do you get triggered each time gods and their mythos are represented differently or just when its yours? Serious question, im curious.

[RM60]

Originally posted by WeaverDuck:

Originally posted by RM60:

Thank you for the reply. I am looking forward to seeing how you do this without intentionally pissing people off that your game clearly targets (Christians), but I would like to point our the symbol of the cross is still a symbol of punishment in Christianity. It is where Jesus took our punishment upon Himself so we wouldn't have to be punished for our sins. It is also a symbol of love because of who He is and it is a reminder of what He went through for us.

Anyway, I like the game so far, just might be very disappointed that it is not ultimately penitent knights fighting to purify evil (you know, what I was kinda sold on).

I dont think normal people will be pissed at devs for anything. Its a game anyway and you are assuming too much. They told you already already its alternative world with different lore - it may be completely backwards. If they were 100% true to source materials church would have to be the bad guys and witch innocent.

Do you get triggered each time gods and their mythos are represented differently or just when its yours? Serious question, im curious.

Your knowledge of history and the occult is lacking if you think witches are or were good. Catholics in the dark ages mostly killed protestants (people who held the Word of God in higher regard than the word of some pope or church). We are talking millions upon millions. Again, I am not telling the dev that they need to be 100% true to history, but there is nothing redemptive about claiming that judas iscariot is a god. It is actually just there to be offensive towards people that the game is clearly advertised towards, Christians.

How do you think muslims would respond if you made a game claiming that the jewish girl who poisoned him to death was a god? How do you think they would feel if you made a game even showing an image of muhammad? Yet, I am sure that you have more feels and hesitation when thinking about going after them, aye?

Point is, my opinion is completely valid, comes from a place of actual education and not proud ignorance, has others here in agreement and even got the attention of the devs. My goals in this are well accomplished. Your words fall on deaf ears.