SBI controversary aside, why does Rocksteady hates femininity?

[Tuxedo Cat]

As a female gamer, I found it a bit disturbing that most female characters in this game lack any feminine traits.
Wonder Woman's design is ok, I guess, but still far away in terms of displaying well defined gender specific traits, especially when looking at Superman, Batman or Deadshot, who are all very well looking and body developed men.
Is it ok for men to have masculine men as characters, to be represented by defining masculine traits, while females get to be represented by...a tomboy Harley?
I am a woman, proud of my femininity, and I don't feel represented in this game.
Is rocksteady really infiltrated by misogynistic developers who think that pretty women ain't worthy or their character design department needs to be replaced?

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jest:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von pr1mus:

what do you mean with "well defined gender specific traits"? be specific.

What is a woman?

lmao, so many people have trouble answering that simple question now a days.

[peremptor]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von 🄼🄴🄶🄰🄻🄾:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jest:

What is a woman?

lmao, so many people have trouble answering that simple question now a days.

Simple really. You got child bearing hips and can provide new citizens to enjoy this modern wonder we call civilization... you just might be a woman.

[juanxlink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sledge Hammer!:

But there's a small, though very loud, minority that will have a total meltdown if every new game isn't filled with lolis and waifus, like their Eastern anime games.

You truly need to stop projecting and talk to someone about your fetishes...

[AnthΩny |✙△|]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Wait, this isnt Dust2:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sledge Hammer!:

The majority of gamers do appreciate having female characters that look normal and not hypersexualized. But there's a small, though very loud, minority that will have a total meltdown if every new game isn't filled with lolis and waifus, like their Eastern anime games.

Is this "loud minority" just in the forums? But I am glad, that the "silent majority" likes this game. XD

Sadly, WB doesnt give a ♥♥♥♥ about their million fans and will shut down this game within a year, like they said themselves

Hahaha you forgot about 10 billions of "silent majority" on Playstation alone

[Melody]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ♡:

If you asked them (or pretty much any feminist SJW stereotype) I'm sure they'd give you some convoluted, morally indignant, & self righteous slop response. But in reality, it's actually really simple. It just boils down to petty jealousy (like it usually does with most of humanity), regardless of how much they might try to vehemently deny it to the contrary, or insist otherwise.

I'm female, too, btw. But it's the same reason a huge fuss was made about 'bikini body' ads, & "unrealistic physical standards", etc. It's just a bunch of narcissists with fragile egos that can't stand anyone superior, or clearly better in some way than them, being paraded in front of their faces like that; because it utterly shatters their silly delusions & overblown ego they have pretending to themselves that they're much more valuable or 'special' than they actually are. Clinically, NPD traits are statistically at some of the highest they've ever been among younger generations.

I can't find the study off-hand, but there was a notable psychology experiment in which they got paid actresses to act the exact same amongst various different groups of the same unsuspecting women in a waiting room; where they weren't actually aware these were just actors (the term is actually gender neutral now), or that it was actually just a test. These actresses were divided into just two categories - Clearly very beautiful women, & well.... very unattractive ones. After these actresses had finished their rehearsed routines in the waiting room, & said the exact same lines to these groups of unsuspecting women, they'd then leave the room, & be asked to rate how nice they thought these 'random' women they just met were, & what they thought of them....

Now, if you're a woman, too, then you can probably guess exactly how it went...lol. The very attractive, beautiful women would get clearly much worse appraisals & judgements compared to their unattractive counterparts that acted the same way, & said the same things. So much so, that the attractive women were getting called things like... (well things I won't repeat here given how overzealous the moderation is lol, but I'm sure you can easily imagine). Similar tests have been done relating to wealth, with similarly disappointing & depressing results with how petty most people actually are.

There's another psychology study in which over 90% of the people tested, rated, & then questioned afterwards; came away with the clearly deluded impression they were much better than they actually were (& that all the evidence clearly pointed to otherwise). What's even sadder (or funnier), is that the majority of the most incompetent, utterly useless of those tested, also frequently happened to be the most utterly deluded in thinking they were actually the best, even though they were actually the worst lmao.

Narcissism like this usually forms as a defense mechanism around people with little self worth like this, but their mind & ego ends up going in the polar opposite direction to compensate for this low self esteem by pretending they're much more important than they actually are. However, because they know deep down that these lies they tell themselves aren't true though, they're also the quickest to react emotionally & throw a tantrum whenever anyone tries to poke holes, no matter how small, in these fragile delusions & lies. When you parse that fact, with how emotionally weak & entitled younger generations are today, then all the jigsaw pieces start to come together much more clearly.

You're spilling so much truth in one single post, I don't know if people here can even handle it without making up some weird distorted argument. I guess they will probably play the "misunderstood" card for the 214,064,205,695th time and simply say you're boycotting or are a "culture warrior". I wouldn't even be surprised if that happened again. I got called a troll so many times for telling the truth or pointing out that something was BS, I also got some pretty disgusting and sexist insults. People who are unable to discuss without resorting to those things shouldn't be allowed to post here.

[LordKainofNosgoth19]

1. There's something else I don't see in this topic. Attractiveness can also be subjective but with a video game, we are comparing artwork to reality here and artwork is also equally subjective and objective. It's very clear how gaming companies are trying to paint an image of their own social-political ideas inside our entertainment. They made many changes in a large number of games in order to shrink feminine characteristics (faces, bodies, behaviors, etc.) in female characters to standardize the new one-of-kind look because to them, straight ugly (their aim) in art design is the NEW beautiful. When they create the strong female character image, they decided that women should appear more in the image of a man by giving them faces that are more masculine and body types that are more muscular, while historical roles that are typically for men on average. No chest because that's apparently how ALL REAL and average women appear (obviously false.)

That is more of an insult than the so-called strong sexual image of a woman. It's great to have variety in female characters and consumers had that for years in many successful video games, but to lean in one direction only for the sake of some political change looks embarrassing and a joke to what we are as humans. It actually does the opposite of REALISTIC and NATURAL to make game characters appear twice more artificial, as developers continue turning the wheel.

2. What I think of a video game character does not change the way I think of real women because this is fiction vs. reality. Entertainment like video games in this case is usually fictional and if it has true events are reenacted, that is just an interpretation of what happened, not the original history. When it comes to female characters, I don't expect most real women to look everything like typical Japanese animated characters. I don't think of a goddess statue as a representation of the average human woman, but I do see what the artist wanted to express in their work. If they wanted to make a naked statue based on a human woman to define characteristics of what they think is the perfect body/image for a "goddess," they have every right to render the character in any way they see fit. There are many ways to do that though, not just one.

3. The reason why this does not work the same way with video game political ideas is because rather than go in trying to be creative about ideal/iconic looks for a character, including the known usual look, companies are giving too much into political influence to change something into what it is NOT, and they're ignoring strict art development involving human creative expression. If I wanted art that focused more heavily on their social-related choices, then I would go play games SPECIFIC to those IDEAS versus a work that is trying to change what we are as humans to look good in front of the groups they claim to be appealing to! Sadly, all of these groups have a lot of people that do not want these companies speaking for them. They're using them as weapons/tools and insulting the image of these people like a product of society or one of special treatment (more artificial human being) to meet their own goals and social standards. It's disappointing to see how much this has been happening throughout gaming and design.

Players should be able to sit down, play a quality game, and enjoy it because it is what appeals to them. Some play to escape. Others play to have experience they can't experience in the real-world environment. To these game companies making such choices in character design and writing, I might ask, why not let the players have their fun, instead of invading their entertainment space for your own one-track ideas?

[Melody]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LordKainofNosgoth19:

1. There's something else I don't see in this topic. Attractiveness can also be subjective but with a video game, we are comparing artwork to reality here and artwork is also equally subjective and objective. It's very clear how gaming companies are trying to paint an image of their own social-political ideas inside our entertainment. They made many changes in a large number of games in order to shrink feminine characteristics (faces, bodies, behaviors, etc.) in female characters to standardize the new one-of-kind look because to them, straight ugly (their aim) in art design is the NEW beautiful. When they create the strong female character image, they decided that women should appear more in the image of a man by giving them faces that are more masculine and body types that are more muscular, while historical roles that are typically for men on average. No chest because that's apparently how ALL REAL and average women appear (obviously false.)

That is more of an insult than the so-called strong sexual image of a woman. It's great to have variety in female characters and consumers had that for years in many successful video games, but to lean in one direction only for the sake of some political change looks embarrassing and a joke to what we are as humans. It actually does the opposite of REALISTIC and NATURAL to make game characters appear twice more artificial, as developers continue turning the wheel.

2. What I think of a video game character does not change the way I think of real women because this is fiction vs. reality. Entertainment like video games in this case is usually fictional and if it has true events are reenacted, that is just an interpretation of what happened, not the original history. When it comes to female characters, I don't expect most real women to look everything like typical Japanese animated characters. I don't think of a goddess statue as a representation of the average human woman, but I do see what the artist wanted to express in their work. If they wanted to make a naked statue based on a human woman to define characteristics of what they think is the perfect body/image for a "goddess," they have every right to render the character in any way they see fit. There are many ways to do that though, not just one.

3. The reason why this does not work the same way with video game political ideas is because rather than go in trying to be creative about ideal/iconic looks for a character, including the known usual look, companies are giving too much into political influence to change something into what it is NOT, and they're ignoring strict art development involving human creative expression. If I wanted art that focused more heavily on their social-related choices, then I would go play games SPECIFIC to those IDEAS versus a work that is trying to change what we are as humans to look good in front of the groups they claim to be appealing to! Sadly, all of these groups have a lot of people that do not want these companies speaking for them. They're using them as weapons/tools and insulting the image of these people like a product of society or one of special treatment (more artificial human being) to meet their own goals and social standards. It's disappointing to see how much this has been happening throughout gaming and design.

Players should be able to sit down, play a quality game, and enjoy it because it is what appeals to them. Some play to escape. Others play to have experience they can't experience in the real-world environment. To these game companies making such choices in character design and writing, I might ask, why not let the players have their fun, instead of invading their entertainment space for your own one-track ideas?

I'll just add my 2 cents on this.

First off, there's absolutely no boycottery, there's no conspiracy, there's no hate campaign, nothing at all. It's pretty simple, really: developers gotta listen to players. If most players aren't liking your game, they're not gonna play it. It's like trying to make someone enjoy a meal they don't like, it's not gonna happen in this universe.

Why would you want to release a game that most players are gonna give a thumbs down? It's like shooting yourself in the foot. Some people might try to argue against this, but let's be real here. The games that most people like are the ones that most people are actually enjoying.

Games that are generally not liked are definitely and undeniably destined to gather dust. This is obvious. If a game is selling a lot, instead, it's a clear sign that people are liking it. So, developers need to keep their ears to the ground and their eyes on the feedback. Players are the ones who are going to buy their games.

Just because the majority of players aren't enjoying the game you've created, it doesn't necessarily imply that there's some sort of hate campaign, boycott, or other shenanigans happening. It's just a matter of preference and taste. Also, when people highlight certain facts or aspects about your game, it's not always a sign of them being part of a hate campaign. They're simply expressing their observations or sharing their insights. Lastly, constructive criticism is not synonymous with a hate campaign. It's often, once again, a way for people to share their thoughts about the game and let themselves heard.

[pr1mus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von peremptor:

Simple really. You got child bearing hips and can provide new citizens to enjoy this modern wonder we call civilization... you just might be a woman.

so do women stop being women once they're unable to give birth?

[Dave_El_Jefe]

Yup Wonder Woman in this game looked like a trans

[Spicy Messiah]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von pr1mus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von peremptor:

Simple really. You got child bearing hips and can provide new citizens to enjoy this modern wonder we call civilization... you just might be a woman.

so do women stop being women once they're unable to give birth?

Oh sure, absolutely. Just like men stop being men if they can't get an erection.

Didn't you read the rulebook?

[juanxlink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von pr1mus:

so do women stop being women once they're unable to give birth?

Nah, they are wahmen as long as they wear makeup. Altho in my country is enough that they "feel like it", so being able to give birth does not appear to be a requirement in the leftoid ideology.


What is a woman again? Human adult female?

[unholyghost842]

While I don't think Wonderwoman or even Harley looked that bad in this game (at least in the face they were pretty) I didn't like either of the default suits. Harley's punk-y look just doesn't suit her. I wish they'd stop trying.

Low-key, I liked her being totally covered up with her original outfit more than any thing we've seen since. Dressing her like the most insufferable girl at a frat party doesn't do it for her.

Diana has had pants in outfits before and it can work pretty well for her. I liked the new 52 pants suit. But this one is a bit... odd looking. I can't really place why I feel that way though so. Pretty subjective I admit.

The defeminisation of women however, that is definitely starting to get out of control!
Like I'm fine with showing alternative body types. Not everyone needs to be a tall hourglass figure (even if that is more interesting to look at and more dynamic for a visual medium) but the fact that no one is now is a bit surprising.

There aren't even really any triangular or narrow faced women, it's all the slightly square jawed look (which again nothing wrong with I kinda like it on some characters) but it does reek of sexism that the way women have been written recently is basically just men with breasts. Traits that in a man would be labelled toxic masculinity are supposed to be positive in a woman like hyper aggression and refusing to cooperate.

I do hope we can see more actually feminine characters again soon. It seems like the tide might finally be turning on this and we can get back to having likable characters soon

[amon.the.arcadian]

Damn you guys are really educated and it's hard to follow...
Help me out a bit..
So.. do I understand that right?: OP was basically saying that she's hot, right?

[juanxlink]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von amon.the.arcadian:

So.. do I understand that right?: OP was basically saying that she's hot, right?

You might want to re-read the OP perhaps?

[amon.the.arcadian]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von juanxlink:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von amon.the.arcadian:

So.. do I understand that right?: OP was basically saying that she's hot, right?

You might want to re-read the OP perhaps?

Damn I knew I didn't get something.. so she's not hot?
Can we pls have more attractive OPs in videogame forums then?