On the ending and some opinions about the story

[[LC] Mozalbete]

Obviously, this thread contains heacy spoilers

Well, I finally finished. I must say the game was quite short (really, REALLY short with very few characters and few locations) and easy, but intense. The art, music and animations were all beyond imagination, and the puzzles, though easy, at least were there, which is more than can be said about Telltale games. I recall someoneone from Daedalic saying that, due to the high creation costs, the game had to appeal to a wider audience. And I kind of can see it, since the art, animations and new 3D techniques must have been quite costy.

Now that the game has just been released, and I'm sure some people from Daedalic are around, I must say that I'm glad that the ending is slightly less depressing. I mean... Noah even survives! I really didn't see that coming! Depression avoided. Though it is still not clear what he will remember. If Sadwick retained the memories from Noah, why not the other way round? the memories up until he is turned into a seeker. After all, Noah did remember what Sadwick had done.

It is also unclear what happens to the Renie in the real world. Maybe she is alive but in a comma? Maybe in a sequel after 4873584 years she will leave the now restored Silence and return to the real world where a highly depressed Noah has been waiting for her for some months! And the same way there is a Sadwick, why not a Silence equivalent for Renie? Maybe the reflection in the mirror?

Now there is something I really didn't like... we don't know anything about what happens to the characters. Even though they didn't get much "screen time", their personalities and the details about their former lives left me wishing to, at least, see them restored. I think that, while the credits roll, there should be some pictures, sketch style, showing what happens to characters after the ending.

I also wanted to say that I'm glad it is confirmed how Silence is, indeed, a real, somehow persistent world. Oh, and I loved the moment Sadwick realised he was Sadwick. Wonderful!

[Explosiveandy]

I finished too,but I have a question what the different between the demo and the official.

[MrStevns]

I'm wondering whether there are multiple choices prior to the ending that would make the story longer or the outcome even more different. You can't go back though so if that's the case and I just make some really bad choices, I'll have to play it through again. There are also some occasions where it feels like something is missing or has been skipped entirely. This is especially something I felt after getting Renie across the canals to somehow ending up on a ship, where it's suddenly raining and storming. I know it's a dream world but eh...? If it really was supposed to be this short, ~5 hours for me, then I could have used a whole lot more of Silence :/

[upperi]

Originally posted by Mozalbete:

It is also unclear what happens to the Renie in the real world. Maybe she is alive but in a comma? Maybe in a sequel after 4873584 years she will leave the now restored Silence and return to the real world where a highly depressed Noah has been waiting for her for some months! And the same way there is a Sadwick, why not a Silence equivalent for Renie? Maybe the reflection in the mirror?

This time the Silence is a creation of Renie. Noah/Sadwic is a just part of Renie's "dream". If you destroy the mirror Renie wakes up and finds out that Noah is dead. If you restore the mirror Noah wakes up but Renie probably is dead (or in a deep coma and her death is just a matter of time - remember that she wants to remain in Silence).

So after all both endings are depressing :(

Originally posted by Mozalbete:

Now there is something I really didn't like... we don't know anything about what happens to the characters. Even though they didn't get much "screen time", their personalities and the details about their former lives left me wishing to, at least, see them restored. I think that, while the credits roll, there should be some pictures, sketch style, showing what happens to characters after the ending.

At the end you can see a city and rays of light - that're inhabitants of Silence being restored.

[[LC] Mozalbete]

Exactly, 5 hours. It feel lie there are some things missing because there are parts where a normal PnC game would have an added part.

the final feeling is bittersweet. Everything is gorgeous, but there is so little of it... only the bare bones.

I really doubt the choices have any real effect beyond dialog

[[LC] Mozalbete]

Originally posted by upperi:

This time the Silence is creation of Renie. Noah/Sadwic is a just part of Renie's "dream". If you destroy the mirror Renie wakes up and finds out that Noah is dead. If you restore the mirror Noah wakes up but Renie probably is dead (or in a deep coma and her death is just a matter of time - remember that she wants to remain in Silence).

So after all both endings are depressing :(

A little, yes, but not as much as TWW :D which is not saying much but oh, well. Renie accepts to remain in Silence in order to fix the world and because she thinks Noah is dead. But in the future, she might go back. At least, that is what I think the plot would be if we ever see another sequel (which seems to be unlkely)

Originally posted by upperi:

At the end you can see a city and rays of light - that're inhabitants of Silence being restored.

Yes, we know they are restored, but I would like to see the typical scenes during credits showing what happens to them.

[MrStevns]

I'm almost through the game for the second time, just to figure out whether any of the choices you make makes a difference... Unfortunately so far (and i'm near the end again) it hasn't changed anything :S

edit:
Ugh that's disappointing, nothing changed the outcome of the two endings. Given that the first game had a lot more content and Sadwick ventured many more places, I am kind of saddened to see that the sequel, despite it being such a gorgeous looking game, would sacrifice so much of the world in exchange of that style.

[Rorshacma]

Originally posted by upperi:

This time the Silence is a creation of Renie. Noah/Sadwic is a just part of Renie's "dream". If you destroy the mirror Renie wakes up and finds out that Noah is dead. If you restore the mirror Noah wakes up but Renie probably is dead (or in a deep coma and her death is just a matter of time - remember that she wants to remain in Silence).

So after all both endings are depressing :(

I think Noah is actually alive in both endings. In the Smash the Mirror ending, during the part where Renie is lying on him and crying, his hand starts to move, which I interpreted to mean that he was alive after all. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much of a point to adding that detail.

[[LC] Mozalbete]

The hand just falls after being shaken by Renie, and actually means "He's dead, Jim". However, it makes sense that, if he is alive in one ending, he is alive in the other... though the actions in silence may have an inpact on him too. Anyway, I think the "restore the mirror" is pretty much the canon ending (at least in my mind)

[Rorshacma]

Originally posted by Mozalbete:

The hand just falls after being shaken by Renie, and actually means "He's dead, Jim". However, it makes sense that, if he is alive in one ending, he is alive in the other... though the actions in silence may have an inpact on him too. Anyway, I think the "restore the mirror" is pretty much the canon ending (at least in my mind)

No, I mean after that scene. Its after she shakes him and his hand falls to his side. While she's crying, his hand twitches and then starts to clench briefly.

The part I'm talking about starts around 26:33 in this video (which shows the ending, so don't watch if you haven't beaten the game yet, anyone!):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiUV4_fDoAg

[[LC] Mozalbete]

ooooh you are right! It seems he is alive in both endings then.

[Schlumilu]

Now I can sleep!

[upperi]

Originally posted by Rorshacma:

No, I mean after that scene. Its after she shakes him and his hand falls to his side. While she's crying, his hand twitches and then starts to clench briefly.

You're right! So... a happy ending! :D

[Raiden]

What is it with Daedalic and endings? Haha. They always seem to leave me feeling a certain level of dissatisfaction.

I did the "mend the mirror" ending first, and I was completely happy with it right until the point after the credits when Noah opened his eyes. I saw that and figured "oh, I guess you can save them both!" so I immediately went back and smashed the mirror, only to have no such luck.

From a logical standpoint, Noah's fate should be the same in both endings, because nothing you do in the game as Reenie can be seen to have an impact on it, and there are no other variables at play which we're made aware of. That's what makes it a bit irritating to me; it's purely a plot device, to try to give the endings more impact.

Originally posted by Rorshacma:

No, I mean after that scene. Its after she shakes him and his hand falls to his side. While she's crying, his hand twitches and then starts to clench briefly.

Wow, you must have a keen eye to have caught that. I never would have spotted it if it hadn't been pointed out.

[Rorshacma]

Originally posted by Raiden:

Wow, you must have a keen eye to have caught that. I never would have spotted it if it hadn't been pointed out.

It was actually just because I wound up seeing that ending twice. I did the Shatter the Mirror ending first, but skipped the credits. So, when I then did the Mend the Mirror ending, and saw the little scene at the end of the credits, I was afraid I might have missed something the first time, and redid that first ending again. It was during that second viewing that I noticed it.

[Hippo Reddy YT]

atleast we know reenie is happy in the fix the mirror ending