Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Steam Edition

Microsoft Flight Simulator X: Steam Edition

FIRE DO CLUBE PINGUIM 2015년 1월 12일 오전 9시 42분
Will i be able to run this on Ultra at 60fps?
So i have had the boxed standard edition of FSX years ago, but despiste constantly upgrading my pc, i still only manage around 20-30 fps, wich is unplayable for me. i need that sweet 60fps. anyhow, i have an i3 3250 dual core 3.5ghz (wich is definitivelly the bottlenect) a msi nvidia gtx 970 gaming OC, and 8gb ram. i heard there was a significant performance increase with the steam edition, so thats why im asking, to see if its worth buying. if anyone has specs around this and can run it on ultra at 60fps, please post it in this trhead!
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COEPTIS (차단됨) 2015년 1월 14일 오후 10시 14분 
Ok, man, whatever you say. Just play the game already and stop arguing on forums.

This thread should be closed by a moderator honestly. It's gotten too out of hand.

As for OP, lucky for you that you have an Intel CPU. You can upgrade your processor to an i5 or preferably an i7 with the money saved on not having to purchase a motherboard. You will greatly benefit from hyper threading, as it makes your FPS more stable.
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jcj78 2015년 1월 14일 오후 10시 31분 
Bonnie님이 먼저 게시:
Ok, man, whatever you say. Just play the game already and stop arguing on forums.


If I had a dollar for every futile order some jackass on Steam has given me, I'd consider this FSX:SE one of the best investments in the world economy.
COEPTIS (차단됨) 2015년 1월 14일 오후 10시 37분 
jcj78님이 먼저 게시:
Bonnie님이 먼저 게시:
Ok, man, whatever you say. Just play the game already and stop arguing on forums.


If I had a dollar for every futile order some jackass on Steam has given me, I'd consider this FSX:SE one of the best investments in the world economy.
OK LEAVE ME ALONE! I DON'T CARE!
Sistermatic™ 2015년 1월 14일 오후 10시 39분 
jcj78님이 먼저 게시:
FSX doesn't care about your graphics card much at all, so long as there is one there. What FSX cares about is CPU power.
The ENTIRE system matters - NOT just CPU. You're the one fixated on GPU. I'll tell you about it one day. When you're older.

So, short answer, no, I won't (discuss the *topic*). Because it was boring and unproductive then.
Unproductive and boring? So why are you even here? Can't find the departure frequency?

The reason it's "unproductive and boring" is because 60fps is clearly beyond your grasp and your 8 years of "experience" means nothing in a thread where 30fps went out as an "acceptable" standard a LONG time ago. You're out of your depth with what you know. The response to cover is to denigrate anyone wanting or capable of acquiring 60fps.

You'll have to reconcile with it and step up to the plate to be valuable on such advanced topics. It's not 2006 anymore. Stop trying to tell everyone the Earth is flat simply because you can't see the curvature from your back porch.

In simple terms, a Ferrari can pull a wooden cart at high speed. You don't have to settle for a horse and flog it. Particularly a dead one.
jcj78 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 12분 
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:

The ENTIRE system matters - NOT just CPU. You're the one fixated on GPU. I'll tell you about it one day. When you're older.

I'll be shocked if you live that long, as tweaked as you get over forum posts. i'm guessing you grab your left arm and fall over any second.


SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
Unproductive and boring? So why are you even here? Can't find the departure frequency?
Because this is not your forum, gramps. Much as you seem to think otherwise ;).
I'll continue to offer my input about it, and you'll continue to wail and rend your garments.




SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
The reason it's "unproductive and boring" is because 60fps is clearly beyond your grasp and your 8 years of "experience" means nothing in a thread where 30fps went out as an "acceptable" standard a LONG time ago. You're out of your depth with what you know. The response to cover is to denigrate anyone wanting or capable of acquiring 60fps.

Clearly. Except I already repeatedly said that I could give a fevered ♥♥♥♥ about you and your 60000000fps. And you're the one still going on and on and on about how angry it makes me that you waste days tweaking your fsx.cfg for pointeless reasons. I guess when your grandkids won't talk to you, there ain't much else to do.


SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
You'll have to reconcile with it and step up to the plate to be valuable on such advanced topics. It's not 2006 anymore. Stop trying to tell everyone the Earth is flat simply because you can't see the curvature from your back porch. In simple terms, a Ferrari can pull a wooden cart at high speed. You don't have to settle for a horse and flog it. Particularly a dead one.

The only thing I've seen getting flogged is your crabby old ass. Its hilarious to hear someone who smells like polydent and rogaine talk about other people being "behind the times".

What exactly are you trying to compensate for? Be honest.
You do have a point though. I COULD HAVE A FERRARI. Instead I have a $400, end-of-life processor FSX computer, and when it stops suiting me (say, when it stops working), I'll probably pay cash on the spot for another $400 CL computer, and not think about it again. Otherwise, how are you gonna pretend that you're superior to me when you can get 60 fps in MegaEarth Scenery, and I can only get 48?

Like I already said, you've got to be the most insecure old man I've ever met. Statistically, it likely comes from life-long heaped on abuse and ineffectual social skills. Since I feel really sorry for you, because you're really pathetic, and can't find anything else to base your self worth on, I'll tell you what, you probably do have a faster gaming computer than me. I bet you just busted a nut in your Depends.
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tlvx 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 14분 
Anyone can achieve 60 fps. Heck, 120 is possible. Just run FS2004.

But, for the learned folks, that have been there and done that, 60 fps in FSX is only achievable if you are willing to give up all but the max settings as your opening bid.

Over the course of time that FSX has been out, I personally have thrown three different modern computers at FSX, at least two of them with top tier cpus and gpus. I've even purchased the Extreme versions, put video cards in SLI, overclocked, and done all of the things that would need to be done to conventionally achieve well beyond 60 fps in just about any other video application.

The bottom line is, I have achieved success... but, only when I conceded something to the sim.

DTG is to be commended for supporting a decade old product, and making it compatible with these new unoptimized operating systems.

But, this product wouldn't still be mainstream amongst moderately affluent society, unless it was programed to be demanding well beyond its time... which it has been. One thing is for certain... either you need a supercomputer to run this program at the highest settings... and when I mean highest... I'm talking about 4K, down to the blades of grass... Or, you will have to wait about another decade until the keys to the kingdom will be truly unlocked.

But, by that time, someone will have designed a newer flight sim, that is either less demanding on the latest hardware... or, is decades before its time as well.

Anyone that says they can lock their sim at 60 fps at 4K, down to the blades of grass... with real traffic numbers on the taxiways and in the sky... is just lying to themselves. Everyone else knows better. Because, there are plenty of us that have thrown multiple thousands at this simulation, and know better. The problem with our current technological system is that the software has clearly passed up the hardware by decades... unless of course you are a secret agency with the purse-strings, in which case you can run just about anything if you throw several computers at it simultaneously... which is, by and large, all that a supercomputer is.

When technology advances to the point that we can run a realistic, immersive flight simulator on the maximum PRESENT DAY settings (as our appetite is constantly raised), without purchasing a supercomputer... then companies like Qantas wouldn't have to spend $30 Million on these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JUWUKXV08&hd=1

Ask yourself, how many million does that break down per each frame? ...and there still exists a flicker, albeit on a rebroadcast... but a flicker nonetheless, for $30 Million.

Anyone that thinks they can get what Qantas spends $30 Million on, for a few thousand dollars, is clearly a muppet.

Until such time, every frame costs a certain amount of clarity, and a certain amount of detail... period.

Anyone that is willing to give up the requisite detail to run FSX at 60 fps with current home pc tech is just not serious about the crux of the flight simulation experience. May as well go back to FS2004, and run benchmarks until your heart's content.

The true simmers know better, and we know that like all good things in life, they come with a price. Compromises must be made to find the correct level of realism - that the current hardware can produce.

End of story.
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Sistermatic™ 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 29분 
*****님이 먼저 게시:
But, for the learned folks, that have been there and done that, 60 fps in FSX is only achievable if you are willing to give up all but the max settings as your opening bid.
I'm ultra at 60 fps (peaking 100+ if I drop sync). I reneged on objects such as excessive trees, houses boats and cars. I have scenery shadows off. Water is on 'cos I like my wind waves.

I use injected real weather, OrbX terrain and (mostly) a payware Q400 Dash. I go marginally ~55fps if I hit heavy city/air traffic.

So if running every single thing - even the eye candy - to utter max is the benchmark for your statement then yes, you're right. But that would be anal.

From personal observations - SSD makes a HUGE difference. However, even with that, I wonder what I'd get if I *pushed* my system.....

Because *you* can't do it or think I can't don't mean squat.

I am. You're not. Who cares.

End of story.
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Sistermatic™ 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 43분 
jcj78님이 먼저 게시:
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:

The ENTIRE system matters - NOT just CPU. You're the one fixated on GPU. I'll tell you about it one day. When you're older.

I'll be shocked if you live that long, as tweaked as you get over forum posts. i'm guessing you grab your left arm and fall over any second.
I can see you now, hunched over your radar oscilliscope telling all the pilots about your 8 years on the job as they're trying to tell you they have ILS.

You turn off the localiser 'cos it messed with your coffee machine so they HAD to come in on visual with 50 feet of clear sky and 20 feet of seperation.

"I've got it guys. 8 Years!! 8 Years!!! I been doing this 8 years!!! - I KNOW right!!"
"Tower, Just turn on the localiser please"
"It's not needed guys. Trust me. 8 years!!!"
"Tower... Please..."
" I got it.. I got it.... In fact I might turn off the radio too"

Later, captain turns to FO

"What's that noise? Is that morse?"
"Must be. And look!! There's a guy on the runway waving 2 flags."

Ah..... The vision.
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jcj78 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 45분 
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
jcj78님이 먼저 게시:

I'll be shocked if you live that long, as tweaked as you get over forum posts. i'm guessing you grab your left arm and fall over any second.
I can see you now, hunched over your radar oscilliscope telling all the pilots about your 8 years on the job as they're trying to tell you they have ILS.

You turn off the localiser 'cos it messed with your coffee machine so they HAD to come in on visual with 50 feet of clear sky and 20 feet of seperation.

"I've got it guys. 8 Years!! 8 Years!!! I been doing this 8 years!!! - I KNOW right!!"
"Tower, Just turn on the localiser please"
"It's not needed guys. Trust me. 8 years!!!"
"Tower... Please..."
" I got it.. I got it...."

Ah..... The vision.


Nice to know all your delusions aren't persecutory. Makes me feel a teensy bit less sorry for you.
jcj78 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 47분 
*****님이 먼저 게시:
Anyone can achieve 60 fps. Heck, 120 is possible. Just run FS2004.



Anyone that is willing to give up the requisite detail to run FSX at 60 fps with current home pc tech is just not serious about the crux of the flight simulation experience. May as well go back to FS2004, and run benchmarks until your heart's content.

The true simmers know better, and we know that like all good things in life, they come with a price. Compromises must be made to find the correct level of realism - that the current hardware can produce.

End of story.


x2.

I guess when you're ColganAiring it along at FL25 who needs houses and cars and trees and boats and traffic? Especially if you're staring at the little red 60 fps in the upper left corner.
I need to see where the gas station I used IS3 to insert is, so I know when to turn onto base and drop another notch of flaps.

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tlvx 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 48분 
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
reneged on objects such as excessive trees, houses boats and cars. I have scenery shadows off. Water is on 'cos I like my wind waves.

I use injected real weather, OrbX terrain and (mostly) a payware Q400 Dash. I go marginally ~55fps if I hit heavy city/air traffic.

So if running every single thing - even the eye candy - to utter max is the benchmark for your statement then yes, you're right. But that would be anal.

From personal observations - SSD makes a HUGE difference. However, even with that, I wonder what I'd get if I *pushed* my system.....

Already running SSD here, thanks. Again... been there, done that.

I'm glad that it has been acknowledged that, "turning things off" improves frame rates.

And frankly, since the obvious has been acknowledged... there really is no other point in speaking (typing) another word.... because THAT - IS NOT RUNNING ON ULTRA SETTINGS... which is what this whole discussion is about.

Time to start a new story.
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Sistermatic™ 2015년 1월 14일 오후 11시 54분 
*****님이 먼저 게시:
Already running SSD here, thanks. Again... been there, done that.

I'm glad that it has been acknowledged that, "turning things off" improves frame rates.

And frankly, since the obvious has been acknowledged... there really is no other point in speaking (typing) another word.... because THAT - IS NOT RUNNING ON ULTRA SETTINGS... which is what this whole discussion is about.

Time to start a new story.
Yep. I thought you'd be *THAT* anal and inlcude TREES and BOATS as a requirement for "ultra". Also noticed is the attempt to generalise "turning things off" without acknowledging what those "things" are.

Just as I thought you would. I called it. Yessireee.... Trees and boats are ""ultra" even if they're simply turned down, not off.

In all your waxing about this being a "flight simulator", I think you forgot this is a FLIGHT simulator.

[Sistermatic nods knowingly]
jcj78 2015년 1월 15일 오전 12시 01분 
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
*****님이 먼저 게시:
Already running SSD here, thanks. Again... been there, done that.

I'm glad that it has been acknowledged that, "turning things off" improves frame rates.

And frankly, since the obvious has been acknowledged... there really is no other point in speaking (typing) another word.... because THAT - IS NOT RUNNING ON ULTRA SETTINGS... which is what this whole discussion is about.

Time to start a new story.
Yep. I thought you'd be *THAT* anal and inlcude TREES and BOATS as a requirement for "ultra". Also noticed is the attempt to generalise "turning things off" without acknowledging what those "things" are.

Just as I thought you would. I called it. Yessireee.... Trees and boats are ""ultra" even if they're simply turned down, not off.

In all your waxing about this being a "flight simulator", I think you forgot this is a FLIGHT simulator.

[Sistermatic nods knowingly]



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! (sorry if I woke up SisterMatic, who probably nodded off, doing all that knowing nodding and muttering "I knew it. I knew it" to himself. "Trees and boats is anal. Sixty frames ain't anal. Trees and boats, that's just anal.")


FLIGHT means only GPS approaches in a Q400? My RL airplane (I'm 1/3 owner) only has one com radio. No transponder, no NAVs, no ADF, no DME. One Com. And I don't even have a headset to plug into it, because I don't use it. It does have an electrical system, which is an improvement over my first airplane. Guess its not FLIGHT, since I actually use a gas station to know when to turn onto base at one airport I sometimes fly to for EAA breakfasts.

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tlvx 2015년 1월 15일 오전 12시 03분 
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
Yep. I thought you'd be *THAT* anal and inlcude TREES and BOATS as a requirement for "ultra". Also noticed is the attempt to generalise "turning things off" without acknowledging what those "things" are.

Just as I thought you would. I called it. Yessireee.... Trees and boats are ""ultra" even if they're simply turned down, not off.

In all your waxing about this being a "flight simulator", I think you forgot this is a FLIGHT simulator.

[Sistermatic nods knowingly]
Lol that's just hilarious... a flight sim without an honest depiction of vegetation... lol Keep digging.

I bet I could make my frame rates *Esplode* if I just turned off the whole planet. lmao
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Sistermatic™ 2015년 1월 15일 오전 1시 22분 
tlvx님이 먼저 게시:
SisterMatic님이 먼저 게시:
Yep. I thought you'd be *THAT* anal and inlcude TREES and BOATS as a requirement for "ultra". Also noticed is the attempt to generalise "turning things off" without acknowledging what those "things" are.

Just as I thought you would. I called it. Yessireee.... Trees and boats are ""ultra" even if they're simply turned down, not off.

In all your waxing about this being a "flight simulator", I think you forgot this is a FLIGHT simulator.

[Sistermatic nods knowingly]
Lol that's just hilarious... a flight sim without an honest depiction of vegetation... lol Keep digging.

I bet I could make my frame rates *Esplode* if I just turned off the whole planet. lmao
Lol. It's even more hilarious that more than 315,00 (yep THAT's the number) trees is neccessary while you struggle to get 30fps... and *I'm the idiot*.

Maybe THAT is your guys problem. You've confused this title with Lumberjack Simulator.

Request to OP. Change title to read, How can I NOT get 60fps on ultra. Answer: TREES.

Here's the fscfg file

[gfx]
vsync=30 {if possible}
gpu=lame

[cpu]
age=old
speed==Give me all she's got Scotty
trust=hope to God I don't burn it out
expertise=null

[flight perfromance]
physics=low
clouds=low
planes=low
rain=off

[environment]
trees=ABS max
boats=ABS max
cars=ABS max

Woot!! THIS is getting hilarious. When's the fish add-on being released?

Sheesh......
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