Aircraft wobble at 16x speed with autopilot on

[Lonewolf]

This used to be a problem with Acceleration installed and there was a fix but I can't figure out what to do with the Steam version. Anyone know?

Here's what happens. Fly any plane over 20k feet, set autopilot and change the speed to 16x and pitch goes all over the place.

As I said this is a problem with the game and not my flying!

[Twelvefield]

If you call me Hillary, I will report you!

Acceleration is a done deal, no real going back. I agree it made a few things more difficult, but mostly in dealing with third-party software. The in-game stuff got better, some bugs were fixed, and the SDK was completed. FSX is really old now, and as it was being developed, ACES guessed wrong on a number of fronts as to how the computers of the future - our rigs today - would be. Especially, they thought that single-core CPUs would become more and more powerful. 64-bit OS was science-fiction, let alone DX10.

Hopefully the new flight sims will correct these things. Unfortunately, many add-ons, although they are great also showcase what a house of cards the FSX programming is. There's code in there that's at least 20 years old!

[kennybravo]

So, I believe I've fixed this. Tests have been done at FL300-340 using 8x or 16x with all models of the Thomas Ruth A330 bundle I downloaded from Rikoooo (not sure what the policy is on providing links, so if you Google it, you'll find it). I've only used FAIR weather conditions so far, but don't really expect any issues when factoring "Real-world" weather.

So, basically, I noticed that I was flying 767's and 777's without an issue, but any A330 or A340 I downloaded would wobble like crazy anywhere above FL220 on 8x or 16x. To me, an answer of "THE SIM JUST CANT HANDLE IT" wasn't good enough.

So, I just opened up the aircraft.cfg file on the (I believe it's a POSKY model) 777-200 from the same website and started copying and pasting different sections to see what it was. Turns out, all you have to do is replace the [Autopilot] section. I'm pretty sure the issue stems from the max pitch settings you see in there, but not 100% sure. There is still a LIIIIIITLE wobble, but I would put it less than the actual 777.

I've only noted one issue where when you get up to your cruising altitude and level off, it takes the autopilot 400-500 feet before it starts to level off, which is enough to momentarily piss off ATC, but that's it as far as I can tell.

[AwR]

jcj78 の投稿を引用：

igorb1 の投稿を引用：

tlvx---16X speed is simply asking too much of the sim.

-----never was an ussie in DVD version. Again, steam version is much smoother and faster on my computer- and according to that 16x must be smoother than in a boxed version.


The minute you hit turbulence, the sim cannot keep up with a rate above 4X.
You can try turning the Realism sliders all the way to the left.
Also, in the Weather settings, disable turbulence.

-------did all that just now. Problem still there.

Ever since SP2, the flight dynamics were adjusted, to be more realistic.

-----that`s not realistic. 16x just like a fast forward button on your DVD remote , nothing to do with dynamics.

One can always download a freeware Concorde, and fly that around, up to 4X... and get pretty much anywhere - real quick.

-----oh...I`ll look for shuttle then..or for Star Wars fighter planes.Or some UFO thingies..But that`s going to be different game.I`d like to have a very simple thing- just get back functionality of 16X like it was in all previous versions of FS. Btw have another problem. I have X-Hotas joystick, and have to re-calibrate it everytime before I start FS steam-or it won`t work. Doesn`t happen in DVD version- I`m comparing it right now.

So then go back to the dvd version. OR stfu and fly on 4x tops. It IS the same game. You want a C172 that flies at 16X what a 172 flies at, or an A330 that flies 16X as fast as an A330 does. You might as well fly a star trek shuttle, you dork.

16X NEVER worked on A/P, all the way back to FS2002. Definitely not on FSX + Acceleration. There's no traffic past 4x, and what is the fun in flying around at 16X anyway? why not just load the t/o and landing, and not run your pc between the two, if that's all you care about? I bet you wouldn't have to look hard to find something else to whine about at that point, and maybe it'd be something you didn't feel compelled to post here about.

Woah! okay listen up douchbag... I'm going to give you some friendly advice about calling people out when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Firstly, I use the x16 compression. Not because I want to fly at what seems like insane speed, but to get past the monotony of long-haul flying with the FSPassengers extension. It's a tactic that works well, or did work well, until the Acceleration patch. The original DVD release could use an airliner's autopilot at 16x with no buffeting up to SP2. Acceleration introduced the BUG that now plagues the game.

What's fun to you is of no consequence to anyone. Youre clearly an idiot, so why would people care about your musings on how to enjoy FSX? As if you think x16 speed increases the speed... it increases the passage of time you utter utter cretin.

[Foxy]

"What's fun to you is of no consequence to anyone. Youre clearly an idiot, so why would people care about your musings on how to enjoy FSX? As if you think x16 speed increases the speed... it increases the passage of time you utter utter cretin."

Haha it´s funny cus it´s true! xD I too hate such people xD

[Testosterone420]

Foxy の投稿を引用：

Yeah, that´s pretty much the worst waste of words since the last time donald trump opened his mouth. You said it yourself: "I don't understand using high time compression if you have failiures off." the focus here should be on "I don´t understand" because your assumptions are wrong on multiple levels:

1. x16 is not like x512 you have plenty of time to deactivate timecompression and react to a situation. In fact, if you take 2 seconds to react like me, you only lost half a minute ingame time.

2. I dont have failures off, why would you assume that?

3. I use addons for passenger transport and since I don´t want to sit 8 hours in front of my PC with autopilot on (because THAT IS realistic for large passanger jets, using Autopilot and ILS) in order to finish a mission (how can anyone be so mindnumbed by the way to be able to stand long, simulated, uneventfull flights?) I have no choice but to use x16 because slew does not work with these addons and also its unrealistic... time compression however gives me the same realism just with LESS waiting, a 16 hour flight still takes one hour to complete wich is MORE than enough time given the fact that all you do is check on your autopilot, GPS and engine parameters every now and then.

I have arrived from the future bearing glorious news: Very Stable Genius, Dr. Donald J. Trump, Esq. is President

How does the crow taste?

[Teenflon5]

Please can someone fix this! It’s really irritating! If flying long haul I can simply let the plane bob up and down continually but it just looks stupid. I totally agree with the op, it’s not turbulence because the aircraft consistently pitches up and down over and over again, you can see the trim wheel moving as the autopilot tries to keep the aircraft level but fails, it was never a problem with the DVD version but on any pc I’ve used the steam version doesn’t work.

I don’t want to use slew or move the aircraft because it’s unrealistic, time, weather and fuel doesn’t change, and sitting watching a 5 hour flight is absurd. Please someone find a fix!!

[Foxy]

Teenflon5 の投稿を引用：

Please can someone fix this! It’s really irritating! If flying long haul I can simply let the plane bob up and down continually but it just looks stupid. I totally agree with the op, it’s not turbulence because the aircraft consistently pitches up and down over and over again, you can see the trim wheel moving as the autopilot tries to keep the aircraft level but fails, it was never a problem with the DVD version but on any pc I’ve used the steam version doesn’t work.

I don’t want to use slew or move the aircraft because it’s unrealistic, time, weather and fuel doesn’t change, and sitting watching a 5 hour flight is absurd. Please someone find a fix!!

+1

[TextRich]

Teenflon5 の投稿を引用：

I don’t want to use slew or move the aircraft because it’s unrealistic, time, weather and fuel doesn’t change, and sitting watching a 5 hour flight is absurd.

Slewing isn't realistic, but a 16x speed flight is? Regardless, don't expect DTG to fix that or any remaining bug in FSX:SE.

[Morag]

you could try FSXPilot autopilot add on
http://fsxpilot.de/index.php
it used to be shareware and you could buy it for more features but according to the website

Pro version will turn freeware on October 1st 2018

I think the free version of it will do what you need anyway

[Erazer]

Foxy の投稿を引用：

Teenflon5 の投稿を引用：

Please can someone fix this! It’s really irritating! If flying long haul I can simply let the plane bob up and down continually but it just looks stupid. I totally agree with the op, it’s not turbulence because the aircraft consistently pitches up and down over and over again, you can see the trim wheel moving as the autopilot tries to keep the aircraft level but fails, it was never a problem with the DVD version but on any pc I’ve used the steam version doesn’t work.

I don’t want to use slew or move the aircraft because it’s unrealistic, time, weather and fuel doesn’t change, and sitting watching a 5 hour flight is absurd. Please someone find a fix!!

+1

x16 is far too much. I only ever use x4 max.

The autopilot cannot correct deviations which occur 16 times faster than normal. I had the DVD Gold Edition too but got fed up with the activation process.

I just work out the flight time, say from London Heathrow EGGL to Sydney Australia YSSY, choosing to land in daylight conditions, reducing the passenger and baggage payload to a minimum. [I.E. Only business class.]

I keep the speed down to 280 KIAS and reduce the climb rate to 200 immediately after takeoff to keep N1 as low as possible as it is high power N1 that uses fuel disproportionally, Gear up, flaps to zero.

I start the flight half an hour before retiring for the night and set the alarm to wake me one hour before landing, so I have time to make breakfast.

Arrive Sydney with 4% fuel left.

[Foxy]

Pegasus の投稿を引用：

Foxy の投稿を引用：

+1

x16 is far too much. I only ever use x4 max.

The autopilot cannot correct deviations which occur 16 times faster than normal. I had the DVD Gold Edition too but got fed up with the activation process.

I just work out the flight time, say from London Heathrow EGGL to Sydney Australia YSSY, choosing to land in daylight conditions, reducing the passenger and baggage payload to a minimum. [I.E. Only business class.]

I keep the speed down to 280 KIAS and reduce the climb rate to 200 immediately after takeoff to keep N1 as low as possible as it is high power N1 that uses fuel disproportionally, Gear up, flaps to zero.

I start the flight half an hour before retiring for the night and set the alarm to wake me one hour before landing, so I have time to make breakfast.

Arrive Sydney with 4% fuel left.

I swear you people must be challenged in some way, x16 DID work its just broken since acceleration upgrade... nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ about your ocd x4 flight where you wake up in order to land, not everybody wants to live the ocd lifestyle you have, some people just want to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly far and not waste time.

[TextRich]

Foxy の投稿を引用：

I swear you people must be challenged in some way, x16 DID work its just broken since acceleration upgrade... nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ about your ocd x4 flight where you wake up in order to land, not everybody wants to live the ocd lifestyle you have, some people just want to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly far and not waste time.

I have a friend at work who slept through a NY-to-Sydney flight MS FS 2002 flight, so it wasn't just Pegasus. FSX allows us to have fun flying in our own ways, whether with real time or in accelerated mode. Your language is inappropriate and if you don't care for a specific way other people fly, don't post. Cheers.

[Foxy]

BF Bullpup の投稿を引用：

Foxy の投稿を引用：

I swear you people must be challenged in some way, x16 DID work its just broken since acceleration upgrade... nobody gives a ♥♥♥♥ about your ocd x4 flight where you wake up in order to land, not everybody wants to live the ocd lifestyle you have, some people just want to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly far and not waste time.

I have a friend at work who slept through a NY-to-Sydney flight MS FS 2002 flight, so it wasn't just Pegasus. FSX allows us to have fun flying in our own ways, whether with real time or in accelerated mode. Your language is inappropriate and if you don't care for a specific way other people fly, don't post. Cheers.

I will post all I want! Also: HE was the one who didn´t care for how we want to fly (x16) in the first place so please ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ learn to read, or don´t I couldnt give more ♥♥♥♥♥.

[LHookins]

You're feeding the trolls, Bullpup :) Do we really care what someone who would fly in 16x thinks?

The "serious simmers" over on Avsim who fly the big iron typically start the flight then go to a movie or go to bed with the game set to pause on Top of Descent. I'm guessing they have failures turned off. They do not use time compression.

Hook

[Foxy]

LHookins の投稿を引用：

You're feeding the trolls, Bullpup :) Do we really care what someone who would fly in 16x thinks?

The "serious simmers" over on Avsim who fly the big iron typically start the flight then go to a movie or go to bed with the game set to pause on Top of Descent. I'm guessing they have failures turned off. They do not use time compression.

Hook

♥♥♥♥ your guess, failures are on and now go to your avsim forum where you can pat each other on the back for being "serious simmers" I want to play the way I want, why do you even get involved? Its not like we ask for a feature to be removed, we want one to be added so it is NONE of ANY of you "serious simmers" problem, you are ALL out of place to even reply to this topic! I just get mad when people think the way they want to play is the only legitimate way to play, its just retarded and the very reason why idiots fight over religion. You people need to get it in your head that I think you are a joke for setting a timer or watching a movie (btw has to be a long fkin movie if you can fly from LOWW to KLAX at x1 or even x4 hahaha idiots) and btw IF YOU GO TO BED YOU HAVE TO HAVE FAILURES TURNED OFF NOT AT x16 BECAUSE AT THAT SPEED YOU CAN ACTUALLY STAY THERE AND WATCH so realy ♥♥♥♥ all of you mental ocd people hard, so hard, so very, very hard till that little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of yours bleeds itself to death. Thank you.