Aircraft wobble at 16x speed with autopilot on

[Lonewolf]

This used to be a problem with Acceleration installed and there was a fix but I can't figure out what to do with the Steam version. Anyone know?

Here's what happens. Fly any plane over 20k feet, set autopilot and change the speed to 16x and pitch goes all over the place.

As I said this is a problem with the game and not my flying!

[RoY]

what does the 4,8,16 ect... X speed setting do? Speed up time?

[Lonewolf]

Yes, makes time faster when flying on autopilot. It's nice on the long haul stuff

Originally posted by RoY:

what does the 4,8,16 ect... X speed setting do? Speed up time?

[igorb1]

Bodhan- same thing here, have no idea how to fix it. Never had this problem on dvd version. Got steam version a week ago, started flying 737 frrom Sydney to Darvin, found this problem. Tried all other jets- same thing, jumping all over the place.
RoY - speeds up time.

[Lonewolf]

Originally posted by igorb1:

Bodhan- same thing here, have no idea how to fix it. Never had this problem on dvd version. Got steam version a week ago, started flying 737 frrom Sydney to Darvin, found this problem. Tried all other jets- same thing, jumping all over the place.
RoY - speeds up time.

It was a problem when Acceleration was installed on the DVD version. There was a fix but I don't know what to do with Steam version. It's a pain because you'll eventually crash if you don't get sick first lol

[igorb1]

Bodhan- i had this same problem only with 777 in FS2004- but I didn`t like this plane anyway)
Any links to Acceleration fix? I`ll search now...

[Lonewolf]

Originally posted by igorb1:

Bodhan- i had this same problem only with 777 in FS2004- but I didn`t like this plane anyway)
Any links to Acceleration fix? I`ll search now...

Sorry I was AFK, yes here a link http://forum.avsim.net/topic/63846-acceleration-autopilot-problem/ lots of copying flies and stuff but I'm not sure it's possible with Steam

[tlvx]

16X speed is simply asking too much of the sim.

The minute you hit turbulence, the sim cannot keep up with a rate above 4X.

You can try turning the Realism sliders all the way to the left.

Also, in the Weather settings, disable turbulence.

Ever since SP2, the flight dynamics were adjusted, to be more realistic.

One can always download a freeware Concorde, and fly that around, up to 4X... and get pretty much anywhere - real quick.

[igorb1]

tlvx---16X speed is simply asking too much of the sim.

-----never was an ussie in DVD version. Again, steam version is much smoother and faster on my computer- and according to that 16x must be smoother than in a boxed version.


The minute you hit turbulence, the sim cannot keep up with a rate above 4X.
You can try turning the Realism sliders all the way to the left.
Also, in the Weather settings, disable turbulence.

-------did all that just now. Problem still there.

Ever since SP2, the flight dynamics were adjusted, to be more realistic.

-----that`s not realistic. 16x just like a fast forward button on your DVD remote , nothing to do with dynamics.

One can always download a freeware Concorde, and fly that around, up to 4X... and get pretty much anywhere - real quick.

-----oh...I`ll look for shuttle then..or for Star Wars fighter planes.Or some UFO thingies..But that`s going to be different game.I`d like to have a very simple thing- just get back functionality of 16X like it was in all previous versions of FS. Btw have another problem. I have X-Hotas joystick, and have to re-calibrate it everytime before I start FS steam-or it won`t work. Doesn`t happen in DVD version- I`m comparing it right now.

[jcj78]

Originally posted by igorb1:

tlvx---16X speed is simply asking too much of the sim.

-----never was an ussie in DVD version. Again, steam version is much smoother and faster on my computer- and according to that 16x must be smoother than in a boxed version.


The minute you hit turbulence, the sim cannot keep up with a rate above 4X.
You can try turning the Realism sliders all the way to the left.
Also, in the Weather settings, disable turbulence.

-------did all that just now. Problem still there.

Ever since SP2, the flight dynamics were adjusted, to be more realistic.

-----that`s not realistic. 16x just like a fast forward button on your DVD remote , nothing to do with dynamics.

One can always download a freeware Concorde, and fly that around, up to 4X... and get pretty much anywhere - real quick.

-----oh...I`ll look for shuttle then..or for Star Wars fighter planes.Or some UFO thingies..But that`s going to be different game.I`d like to have a very simple thing- just get back functionality of 16X like it was in all previous versions of FS. Btw have another problem. I have X-Hotas joystick, and have to re-calibrate it everytime before I start FS steam-or it won`t work. Doesn`t happen in DVD version- I`m comparing it right now.

So then go back to the dvd version. OR stfu and fly on 4x tops. It IS the same game. You want a C172 that flies at 16X what a 172 flies at, or an A330 that flies 16X as fast as an A330 does. You might as well fly a star trek shuttle, you dork.

16X NEVER worked on A/P, all the way back to FS2002. Definitely not on FSX + Acceleration. There's no traffic past 4x, and what is the fun in flying around at 16X anyway? why not just load the t/o and landing, and not run your pc between the two, if that's all you care about? I bet you wouldn't have to look hard to find something else to whine about at that point, and maybe it'd be something you didn't feel compelled to post here about.

[tlvx]

Originally posted by igorb1:

-----oh...I`ll look for shuttle then..or for Star Wars fighter planes.Or some UFO thingies..But that`s going to be different game.I`d like to have a very simple thing- just get back functionality of 16X like it was in all previous versions of FS. Btw have another problem. I have X-Hotas joystick, and have to re-calibrate it everytime before I start FS steam-or it won`t work. Doesn`t happen in DVD version- I`m comparing it right now.

I don't think too many flight simmers are going to be convinced that flying at 16X is more realistic than flying with a Concorde.

At least the Concorde existed in the real world.

Conversely, flying at 16X has never existed... that's just there for those that aren't serious about flight simulation in the first place.

Again, from SP1 to SP2, the change was made. Simple as that. This version is naturally, up to date... There's no going back... unless you reinstall Gold or Deluxe, and only go so far as to install Service Pack 1.

So, yes: The boxed version (up until SP1) has a more dumbed-down level of impediments to flying at 16X.

Starting with Service Pack 2, and further with Acceleration... there was a marked change in the way that flying at mach, particularly with turbulence, effected the flight dynamics.

Therefore, the Autopilot can no longer fully control the flight, beyond a certain level of time acceleration.

The reason it ever worked, prior to SP2, was because the flight dynamics initially were *less* realistic, which meant that autopilot didn't have to make as many corrections at cruise.

It is what it is. You can choose not to understand it if you want.

But, arguing realism - will never ever ever come down on the side of flying at 16X. That is preposterous. Just go back to the box, and run Service Pack 1, if you need to fly at warp speed that badly.

Also, comparing Concorde - to "Star Wars," or a "UFO," - will never garner any respect.

[Foxy]

need a answer to this as well, bump!

[Twelvefield]

The answer is above.

You can always just slew your aircraft to the destination and dump some fuel to simulate going really fast.

I don't understand using high time compression if you have failiures off. What are you going to do if something happens at 16x? The plane will crash before you can do anything. So it's safe to assume at 16x you are doing an uneventful run. If that's the case, that's what slew is for.

[Foxy]

Yeah, that´s pretty much the worst waste of words since the last time donald trump opened his mouth. You said it yourself: "I don't understand using high time compression if you have failiures off." the focus here should be on "I don´t understand" because your assumptions are wrong on multiple levels:

1. x16 is not like x512 you have plenty of time to deactivate timecompression and react to a situation. In fact, if you take 2 seconds to react like me, you only lost half a minute ingame time.

2. I dont have failures off, why would you assume that?

3. I use addons for passenger transport and since I don´t want to sit 8 hours in front of my PC with autopilot on (because THAT IS realistic for large passanger jets, using Autopilot and ILS) in order to finish a mission (how can anyone be so mindnumbed by the way to be able to stand long, simulated, uneventfull flights?) I have no choice but to use x16 because slew does not work with these addons and also its unrealistic... time compression however gives me the same realism just with LESS waiting, a 16 hour flight still takes one hour to complete wich is MORE than enough time given the fact that all you do is check on your autopilot, GPS and engine parameters every now and then.

[Twelvefield]

So insulting me is going to help you how? You've answered your own questions, your realize. You use third-party software that requires you to stay in realitime. Nobody forced you to do that. If you want full realism, you let the sim run in real time, people do that. If you want time compression, hey, guess what, you're not in full realism anymore. So it's up to you how you fly your pretend aircraft.

You can fly short hops if your time is too tight.

[Foxy]

It does not require me to stay in realtime, it only enforces not using slew or telport etc. and it all worked fine with FSX be4 acceleration addon...
And is wasting words like Donald Trump realy such a bad insult? He is running for president after all :D