Better VAS Management in FSX Steam

[Hadoken77]

Now that reports are rolling in that Prepar3D v3 has better VAS management, do you think Dovetail will respond with another VAS optimization for FSX Steam? How is VAS in FSX Steam compared to Prepar3D? Is it fair to compare the two products being how one is for training and the other is an entertainment license? What do you think?

[Bobcat999]

Based on the fact that I have never had an out of memory error on these later versions of FSX:SE, even after 6-7 hour flights with complex scenery and aircraft, I think FSX is fairly well fixed on the VAS issue now.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lockheed Martin (P3D) just copied what Dovetail did to fix the VAS issue, as they have done it fairly soon after Dovetail fixed it for FSX:SE. As it is basically the same software , maybe they cooperate on the fixes, which isn't a bad idea.

[TREEVAR]

I would think the new VAS management in p3d is more in depth then that of the FSX:SE as many users are still running into OOM errors with some of the more complex addons. It would be be nice if Dovetail made some changes to the VAS management so it would dump memory when not in use, but I'm not sure if their agreement with Microsoft allows that

[TU 114]

I hope so.
I have OOM's in FSX SE. If I do some GA flying everything is cool. As soon as I start with PMDG777 from some heavy addon airports like FlyTampa Dubai OOM's start happening. Keep in mind that my sliders are no where near MAX.
I really hope that they will continue to optimize FSX SE. Especially the VAS management and do something similar to what LM has done with the GPU/CPU optimization in V3.

[Bobcat999]

I hope for all that also, but I think it is more likely to be in Dovetails new sim next year.
As for P3D, I do like some of the slightly better eye candy, and the cloud shadows etc., but have you seen DCS World 2? The graphics and smoothness of that is supreme. If only we could have a commercial simulator like that, I would be happy, even if it had no previous compatibility at all.

[Stowthorns]

Dovetail can't make any hard coded software changes to FSX. They don't own the rights to do so. Lockheed Martin own the rights to the base sim. Dovetail only have the rights to re-distrubute it and make minor changes. That's why P3D is basically a modern day FSX.

FSX: SE will never be optimised for VAS, 64bit, SLI or anything like that.

[JK47]

I think people forget that FSXSE and P3D arent playing in the same game. One is for consumers for entertainment, one is for professionals (and I dont mean simulation professionals). You have to decide which category you fall in. At the end of the day, LM is a defense contractor, not a game developer. They redesigned FSX and manage P3D primarily as a way of demonstrating and training clients on their weapons systems. The cost to "play" unless you are a currently enrolled student is $200. Clearly not intended for most flight simmers.

[PTCGho5t]

Originally posted by Jordan_King_:

I think people forget that FSXSE and P3D arent playing in the same game. One is for consumers for entertainment, one is for professionals (and I dont mean simulation professionals). You have to decide which category you fall in. At the end of the day, LM is a defense contractor, not a game developer. They redesigned FSX and manage P3D primarily as a way of demonstrating and training clients on their weapons systems. The cost to "play" unless you are a currently enrolled student is $200. Clearly not intended for most flight simmers.

lol $200, everyone pays $60 except for the old geezers over at AVSIM lol 200 lololol

[Hadoken77]

Originally posted by Jordan_King_:

I think people forget that FSXSE and P3D arent playing in the same game. One is for consumers for entertainment, one is for professionals (and I dont mean simulation professionals). You have to decide which category you fall in. At the end of the day, LM is a defense contractor, not a game developer. They redesigned FSX and manage P3D primarily as a way of demonstrating and training clients on their weapons systems. The cost to "play" unless you are a currently enrolled student is $200. Clearly not intended for most flight simmers.

Full disclosure, I don't fly P3D. I only use FSX-SE and X-Plane 10 because I don't fall inside the scope of any of LM EULA agreements.

Sure I would love the extra eye candy in P3D, but I have to respect the license agreements. I assume that the majority of the sales for P3D comes from thier Academic license, well at least it's a point of discussion in froogles first impressions video for P3D.

In a way a lot of simmers are substituting that license as a entertainment license. While this is probably not a big deal at the moment, it will be interesting to see how P3D's competetion that actually do have rights to the entertainment license will react if LM can take a big enough share of the simming market. Do you think they will have a reaction if any at all?

Love the videos!

[magnetite]

Never had any OOMs with FSX-SE myself. Then again, I don't use fancy airports. Just the stock ones. I do use add-ons like PMDG 777, ORBX regions, Global/Vector/OpenLC.

With DX10 and instancing it is unlikely for me to OOM.

[Bobcat999]

Yep - seriously, with the latest vas fixes and dx10 mode, ooms are extremely difficult to bring on in FSX:SE. I wonder if people still getting them only have 4gb of ram overall, that would cause it. But I have purposely run FSX:SE with the Captain sim 777, and Aerosoft A320 series over complex sceneries with sliders fully to the right for hours and hours and never had a crash even, never mind and oom. Is everybody updated to the latest version? They need to check.

As for P3D v3, due to the stupid price, I am more inclined to wait both Dovetails new sim and DCS World 2.

PS. I love the talk about licensing on here and respecting the agreements. The day vendors respect the consumer and don't charge 200 dollars for basically bug fixes that should have been in from the start (P3D v3) , I will consider it also! Ha! Ha!

[Stowthorns]

Originally posted by Bobcat999:

I wonder if people still getting them only have 4gb of ram overall, that would cause it.

Wow... haha. Phsyical RAM has *nothing* to do with OOM errors. VAS is Virtual Address Space which is VIRTUAL memory, not PHYSICAL memory. You can have a million GB of RAM in a system and still get OOM errors.

[JK47]

Originally posted by HarryQC:

lol $200, everyone pays $60 except for the old geezers over at AVSIM lol 200 lololol

You should read the change log. The very last item states: "The licensing and Digital Rights Management (DRM) system has been completely overhauled."

Thats fine. If you want to trifle with the lawyers at Lockheed Martin, the largest defense contractor in the world, be my guest. I for one will avoid them at all cost and would hate to lose access to a program I spent $60 because I intetionally disregarded their EULA.

Originally posted by Bobcat999:

PS. I love the talk about licensing on here and respecting the agreements. The day vendors respect the consumer and don't charge 200 dollars for basically bug fixes that should have been in from the start (P3D v3) , I will consider it also! Ha! Ha!

Thats exactly how I feel. These guys arent making a game. So their clients, especially the commercial and government ones, have no problem spending big bucks on their updated product. A company that was focused on entertainment consumers would never do that, but they dont care because entertainment consumers arent who they are looking to appeal to.

[Bobcat999]

Yep! The whole 'game' hangup thing with them is so funny though. It is still 95% commonality with FSX, and in V3 they also add 'multiplayer' and an 'avatar' mode! I nearly wet myself laughing!

So! Try not to be entertained whilst using P3D guys!

The Lockheed Martin lawyers might have cameras in you house watching you and you might end up it court! LMAO!