why is this so unrealistic

[flakka huffer]

no joke this game has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ flight models it feels like war thunder now , accually war thunder simulator mode is a little harder then this... its really sad now i guess ill play dcs world

[Thogmar]

Flight models have never been FSX's strong point, nor has it ever been a combat simulator, you seem confused.
If you want stronger general aviation flight models, use XPlane. If you want stronger military aviation flight models, use DCS World.
If you want in-depth systems simulation for general aviation, XPlane dabbles in it, and FSX excels with many airliners and private planes modeled with extensive realism.
If you want pretty graphics and scenery, go with P3D, FSX's descendant.
Pretty simple.

[udidwht]

Flight models are also better and more accurately modeled with payware aircraft as opposed to freeware.

[DrAgOn]

Originally posted by markrusmark ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

no joke this game has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ flight models it feels like war thunder now , accually war thunder simulator mode is a little harder then this... its really sad now i guess ill play dcs world

Erm, what exactly was your expectations of FSX? What are you comparing it to?

[flakka huffer]

i played xplane aswell and its same thing... maybe im too used to dcs advanced flight models

[Rogue]

What is it you want? Easier or harder flying? More realistic? The only way you can know about realism is if your a real pilot.

All my airline pilot friends and I do have a few, tell me flying in real life is easier than flying in FSX. They tell me that real aircraft are more forgiving because they react slower than the models in FSX.

I don't know if this is true, I'm not a real pilot.

[RoadHouse]

I must stay after flying DCS for several years I found FSX quite boring. But then again there are many add ons etc. even air traffic control for FSX which are not available in DCS.

I did find some videos of payware commercial airliners doing night flights with ATC taxing taking off and landing that was pretty cool I have to admit.

Digital Combat Simulator hasn't really done civil aviation at all until recently with the Nevada map which includes Las Vegas in detail with a P51 trainer. No guns. Even flying a huey helicopter with sling loads is now available.

I'm a flight sim nut so I certainly don't regret having FSX in my library but I agree the flight models seem bland to me also. But as was stated above I'm not a pilot in real life so it's hard to say what is closer to reality.

[Dr Nico]

I read a while back a book I find good: Microsoft Flight Simulator X for Pilots - Real World Training.
What I liked in this book is that it's not written by computer guys, nor FSX gurus, but by pilots. Real life pilots. So they teach you fliying skills, then they show you how to practice those with the simulator. Very efficient method I found.

One thing I remember for the settings in FSX, is that these pilots recommended to set the "Realism" sliders in the settings to the medium position. Setting those completly to the right is in fact not realistic, and increase to much the difficulty compared to the real A/C.

[flakka huffer]

i just find fsx... too easy. It reminds me of a iphone game, my friends that never flown in flight sim get on fsx for first time and landed a plane arledy ... now try that in dcs world and youll be spending hours on learning to start up. All im saying is FSX has very simple flight models and if it had advanced flight models and you wouldnt start in the air the game would be more enjoyable

[marshce]

Originally posted by Old Codger:

What is it you want? Easier or harder flying? More realistic?

I think this is a very good point. Are we talking about more realistic flying or more challenging flying? I do think there is a difference.

When flying real aircraft you can feel the physical forces with your own body, and these forces influence how you manipulate the controls of the plane. These physical forces are, of course, lacking in computer flight simulators. Experiencing these forces makes flying real world aircraft in some ways actually easier than flying simulated aircraft.

The point was made about payware aircraft, and I would also agree with this. If you truly want to maximize the realism in FSX, you should most definitely purchase the planes of A2A Simulations. Their Cessna 172, for example, will take you to the very limits of realism.

WWA3463 mentioned that book "Microsoft Flight Simulator X for Pilots - Real World Training". Here's the actual quote which mirrors what I said above:

"As you get better with FSX, you should crank up the difficulty a bit to something more realistic. This makes the airplane behave in less forgiving ways, especially at low speeds such as during landings.

Don't go overboard, though. The most realistic setting in terms of difficulty is actually the Medium realism setting. It's not that the Hard setting is inaccurate - quite the contrary; it's amazingly precise. The problem is that the lack of peripheral vision and kinesthetic cues (the feeling of your body moving around) gives you less information than with a real airplane.

After you've mastered the Easy setting, putting your realism setting on Medium makes for good habits without too much frustration."

So, in the end, I would say that realism is fairly accurate in FSX with decent flight models on the stock planes and excellent flight models on payware planes. However, realism can be greatly increased above and beyond these factors by getting Active Sky Next weather generator. You can further crank up realism settings within this program, which gives you amazingly accurate real-world weather. You will experience even further challenges flying in vicious winds, rains, and storms. (Other addons that increases realism (for commerical aviation) are programs like FS Capitain or Ideal Flight 10.)

Now, if you want a more difficult game (and this is different from realism), I'd recommend trying (if you haven't already) some of the default Advanced and Expert missions in FSX. I'd further recommend some of the DLC missions such as Dangerous Approaches. They will really challenge your piloting skills.

Finally, the comparison to DCS World might not be completely fair. If you popped in a Cessna 172 into DCS World would it fly very differently than it would in FSX with Active Sky Next at full realism? The technical complexity of manipulating an Su-27 is quite severe compared to a Cessna 172, but that doesn't have much to do with flight models.

[Thogmar]

Originally posted by markrusmark ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

i just find fsx... too easy. It reminds me of a iphone game, my friends that never flown in flight sim get on fsx for first time and landed a plane arledy ... now try that in dcs world and youll be spending hours on learning to start up. All im saying is FSX has very simple flight models and if it had advanced flight models and you wouldnt start in the air the game would be more enjoyable

Ah, I see now. First of all, you're not even under standiing what a "flight model" is. The "flight model" of a sim, is the AERODYNAMIC performance of the aircraft, not the buttons and lights and other features. This means how the aircraft controls in the air, whether the control inputs equal realistic aircraft responses, whether putting the aircraft into various aerodynamic positions results in realistic stalls, spins and other consequences of angle of attack and airspeed changes.
In your rightfully beloved DCS, that doesn't mean flying around in a jet with your feet on the floor programming various weapons modes and enjoying the start up sequence. It means FLYING the A-10 - have you ever practiced stalls and SPINS in that bird? REAL barrel rolls, split-s', turns around a point, snap rolls, precise loops, accurate bombing approaches? Those are all quite fun in the A-10, but I've never seen any videos or game streams that show anyone actually flying the aircraft as a pilot rather than a weapons systems officer.
What you're referring to is SYSTEMS modeling, the buttons and switches, and the various electronic/hydraulic/pneumatic/physical cables, etc. controls that respond to all that interaction. That's all fun TOO, but as you've noted, the base FSX is HORRIBLE for systems modeling, it has virtually none.
For fun systems modeling in FSX, you will have to pay some money for some of the excellent payware aircraft out there.
There are dozens of them out there, including miltary jets, airliners and civilian aircraft, will all the buttons, computers, complex start up sequences etc., that you would ever want.
Here's a starting page, there are too many for me to list here. http://fsxgetstarted.com/aircraft/

Specifically to your love of DCS military jets, look for the VRS Superhornet, the Lotus L-39, MILVIZ jets, IRIS jets, and keep an eye on A2A who is rumored to have some military jets in the works.

So yeah, again, get the proper aircraft for the proper sim to get what you want, particularily FSX, which has always only been the BASE for an advanced flight sim experience.

[DTG_Martin]

Originally posted by markrusmark ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

no joke this game has ♥♥♥♥♥♥ flight models it feels like war thunder now , accually war thunder simulator mode is a little harder then this... its really sad now i guess ill play dcs world

Can you please refrain from swearing in the forums markrusmark. Please help us to keep this a family friendly place for simmers of all ages.

- Martin