OFF CENTER ILS

[vamac53]

landed boston's logan 15 r stock 737 landed 10 feet lrft of runway on the grass. picked up localizer plenty early enough. W T H?

[vamac53]

ACTUALLY was stock a 321, but either way

[Ken "Hondo" Gardner]

Stock airports are not all created equilly. Off center ILS's are caused by whoever programed the scenery whether it's a stock scenery or addon and the only way to fix-it is edit the file containing the information used in ILS systems broardcasting to landing aircraft. The aircraft is only doing what it's told. That's why a Pilot needs to be ready to take over if needed to land safely.
P.S. The same thing happens in the real world also

[1haydenrobertson123]

Originally posted by KenGardner:

P.S. The same thing happens in the real world also

like the emirates a380?

[skmcconnell361]

Originally posted by haydenrobertson:

Originally posted by KenGardner:

P.S. The same thing happens in the real world also

like the emirates a380?

No, some ILS are not lined up with runway for verious reasons. Ussally because of ground or other obstruction in the way.

[APUtech]

Originally posted by mmccarthy53:

landed boston's logan 15 r stock 737 landed 10 feet lrft of runway on the grass. picked up localizer plenty early enough. W T H?

Mike, sometimes in FSX/FSX:SE it isn't the ILS that's offset, but the position of the rwy or an erroneous course setting. There are at least 30 airports that I've flown into and they have screwy ILS to rwy placement/alignment. Too, if you look at the map in FSX and find your particular rwy's ILS frequency you'll find, sometimes, that the magnetic heading listed in the map doesn't always match the magnetic heading displayed in the GPS on the approach segment of your flightplan. It can be frustrating, for sure, but after all of these years I just sigh and shrug. ;-)

I'll get online later tonight after it cools down here--104 degs here today--and do a flight from KJFK to KBOS and see if I can duplicate your scenario. :-)

Happy flying,

APUtech

[Ken "Hondo" Gardner]

Picture of15R ILS KBOS
http://puu.sh/y5AUg/761dc2050e.png

Picture of 33L ILS KBOS
http://puu.sh/y5B3M/373a427a81.png

The pictures support Mike's landing 10 feet to the left of center the ILS beam wasn't properly aligned with the runway's center line. picture of 33L shows proper placement of ILS beam

[Ken "Hondo" Gardner]

APUtech when you duplicate Mike's landing do it with only the stock KBOS airport active. Mike doesn't have any addon scenery that I know of, his FSX seems to be stock.

Ken

[APUtech]

Originally posted by BaerSLK:

Dear Aputech
But be sure to enable real world weather and enable "download wind aloft data with real world weather" in the settings.
Fair weather landings everyone can make stable and easily with so much simulator expierence, with the real world weather you land then in europe, where are squalls up to 35 knots, basic wind around 20 knots.
Your ILS approach will be useless, because sidewinds will bring the aircraft in a position which the autopilot cant compensate.
Then front/upwind squalls will make your nose go up&down, the airplane moves right&left and all signs, which were classified by yourself as bad flying, you get proven as real world weather condition.
Then you can react on squalls, when the nose goes up, push it down, when the aircraft goes left, rudder it to the right, but be sure, not too much rudder, or you miss the runway completely.
6000 hours without one bad weather / thunderstorm landing and of course, if you see one, you classify it as bad pilot skills.
Actually, that you classified squalls during rain as bad flying skills, tells me, you dont have a real license, I cant take you serious even more, no chance!

Happy practice without fair weather conditions!

The one and only BaerSLK

Thanks, but I never fly FSX in fair weather, only real-world weather. I use all of the bells and whistles in FSX, crashes on, damage from stress, random failures enabled, weather, winds, etc, since those are the conditions that I fly in here in California when I rent an airplane for the day, or night. I'm used to flying in IMC conditions (IFR Certificated in 2004) but thank you for the advice nonetheless.

I'm about to fly from KJFK to KBOS to duplicate Mike's flight. I'll let Mike know how it turns out after I file my smartCARS.

Happy flying,

APUtech

[APUtech]

BaerSLK:

Enroute to KBOS from KJFK IFR Direct. Current conditions: Wind 190 @ 40, Cloudy with rain @ 10000' climbing to FL280 for cruise. Cruise speed 0.84 Mach 34,000 lbs fuel onboard. Arrival: IAF Gardner (110.6) @ 4000' 105deg mag 36.1 DME KBOS ILS rwy 15R 110.7 rwy course 150deg mag.

There are over 800 pictures in my profile, so you'll have to dig through them. I fly in all kinds of weather conditions, so whatever the weather is in my screenshots is what the actual weather is in the area that I'm flying at that time.

We have "Thunder Thursday" and "Foggy Friday" on Eastern Hops. Come join us. We fly on those theme days with real world weather every week. In fact, I'm on there right now doing this flight, so come join me. You can meet me at KBOS in about 20 minutes.

[APUtech]

Mike, I just touched down at KBOS. Wind 197@ 33 scattered vis 10 statute miles. From what I experienced during my approach into KBOS I was only slightly offset about 10 miles out but the CDI centered and I followed it down (manually) to decision height with no issues.

Maybe if you re-fly the arrival and approach a few times and get used to it, it'll behave itself (shrug), I don't know. I had a gnarly 33kt quartering headwind from the right and was both crabbing and slipping before touchdown. It was a lot of fun!

Maybe one of these day you can join me online and fly with our group on a 1 or 2-hour hop.

Happy flying,

APUtech

[Ken "Hondo" Gardner]

Originally posted by APUtech:

Mike, I just touched down at KBOS. Wind 197@ 33 scattered vis 10 statute miles. From what I experienced during my approach into KBOS I was only slightly offset about 10 miles out but the CDI centered and I followed it down (manually) to decision height with no issues.

Maybe if you re-fly the arrival and approach a few times and get used to it, it'll behave itself (shrug), I don't know. I had a gnarly 33kt quartering headwind from the right and was both crabbing and slipping before touchdown. It was a lot of fun!

Maybe one of these day you can join me online and fly with our group on a 1 or 2-hour hop.

Happy flying,

APUtech

I have one question ? Is the KBOS scenery in your FSX stock or modified by an addon for KBOS

Ken

[APUtech]

Originally posted by KenGardner:

Originally posted by APUtech:

Mike, I just touched down at KBOS. Wind 197@ 33 scattered vis 10 statute miles. From what I experienced during my approach into KBOS I was only slightly offset about 10 miles out but the CDI centered and I followed it down (manually) to decision height with no issues.

Maybe if you re-fly the arrival and approach a few times and get used to it, it'll behave itself (shrug), I don't know. I had a gnarly 33kt quartering headwind from the right and was both crabbing and slipping before touchdown. It was a lot of fun!

Maybe one of these day you can join me online and fly with our group on a 1 or 2-hour hop.

Happy flying,

APUtech

I have one question ? Is the KBOS scenery in your FSX stock or modified by an addon for KBOS

Ken

Hi, Ken. Great to hear from you again. The scenery at KBOS is stock. I only have a few areas with add-on sceneries in FSX, all of them covering areas that I actually fly or have flown to.

How have you been? :-D

APUtech

[SteveFSX/P3D]

Originally posted by mmccarthy53:

landed boston's logan 15 r stock 737 landed 10 feet lrft of runway on the grass. picked up localizer plenty early enough. W T H?

It's not a Cat 111 approach and has a slight difference in headings between ILS and runway. I don't think enough to put you in the grass though. Supposed to be hand flown to the touch-down point around short final - as per aircraft or approach chart limits.

Runway 04 R however is perfectly aligned, and is a CAT 111 auto land type ILS. See if that makes a difference for you.

[SteveFSX/P3D]

Originally posted by BaerSLK:

Dear Aputech
But be sure to enable real world weather and enable "download wind aloft data with real world weather" in the settings.
Fair weather landings everyone can make stable and easily with so much simulator expierence, with the real world weather you land then in europe, where are squalls up to 35 knots, basic wind around 20 knots.
Your ILS approach will be useless, because sidewinds will bring the aircraft in a position which the autopilot cant compensate.
Then front/upwind squalls will make your nose go up&down, the airplane moves right&left and all signs, which were classified by yourself as bad flying, you get proven as real world weather condition.
Then you can react on squalls, when the nose goes up, push it down, when the aircraft goes left, rudder it to the right, but be sure, not too much rudder, or you miss the runway completely.
6000 hours without one bad weather / thunderstorm landing and of course, if you see one, you classify it as bad pilot skills.
Actually, that you classified squalls during rain as bad flying skills, tells me, you dont have a real license, I cant take you serious even more, no chance!

Happy practice without fair weather conditions!

The one and only BaerSLK

You just gave a pilot a flight lesson/instruction there. You are not short on confidence Baer :-)

[SteveFSX/P3D]

Originally posted by BaerSLK:

He asked me for a heavy wind landing challenge, its his Guinness he has to taste :D ;)
He thought its a good idea to invite me, in a friendly way, to see me crash, this "real" pilot never expected I can land at this conditions, I did.
Trust someone who invites you to something because he wants to see me crash? Thats why he explained his landing in a very expert way, using all the descriptions only pilots understand, because he expected me to crash, but I landed as well, with the flying Mojo.
He has the checklist and all that, but I have the flying Mojo.
I could explain in a very extended way how I landed as well, but I just pressed "take photograph" instead, the simple way.
I play this simulator for fun, not to simulate myself real life work!
I dont have time to fly 6000 hours in 2 years with my real life job, so may I can ask how a real pilot can invest such time in a game...lol he would need to do physical training on his free days and spend it with his flight crew, he is in the game instead, I calculated the time, pilots need to be mathematic masters...he forgot that little detail.
Anyways, you dont get the Mojo by following the rules, you get it, when you sit as 5 year old in a Lauda Air cockpit and Niki Laude, the former F1 champion, takes hours of time to explain the cockpit in every single aspect to you.
That made me decide to become a pilot.
I dont use all of the language in a game forum, because I dont want to participate in this 2 class mentality of "real" pilots playing a game, and gamers, I name things simple, because I want that everyone who reads my statements, can understand it, without studying or investing 50.000$ for a pilot license, I dont expect that from casual gaming comrades.
So he has his super duper language, and I have my screenshot mode or video recording.
He asked me to land there, because he expected that I crash, after he has seen my video.
Fun thing is, I landed safe as well.
He didnt watch the details in his level of arrogance, otherwise he wouldnt called me for the challenge, and in case of his thinking about me, I am the winner, because he thought I never do it, thats why I posted the Vettel dance.
Happy flying is not only limited to real pilots who play a flight simulator, thats what I wanted to show, even without using all of the special knowledge and phrases in a casual game forum, just with the flying Mojo, I can be as good as him, or even better, depends on the point of view, my view represents the Vettel dance :))))
Have a nice day!

Flying Mojo .... like it.

You know what Baer I understand English is not your first language but Apu did not challenge you to anything in this thread. He was merely listing his flying conditions in his flight for the landing because you brought up weather. The only challenge is in your mind my friend :-)