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gra123 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 1:53
ils landing
I am having difficulties in landing with ILS even after watching tutorials on youtube.I am flying a 747 from one airport to another using autopilot. I have entered the frequency for the runway given by ATC on Nav 1 and switched to active. After ATC have given instructions to land when established on ILS I switch the app.on while still leaving the auto, bearing and alt lights on and wait until established and the alt & bearing lights eventually should go off. Nothing happens and I just continue to fly on the bearing and alt fixed. Has anyone any idea what I may be doing wrong as it is very frustrating at the end of a flight. Its a pity one cant practise without going through a flight first.
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Bojokamofo 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 6:30 
引用自 gra123
I am happy that I have the correct frequency. Once i am on the correct bearing and height given by ATC I switch on app so that the bearing, alt app and auto are all lit and I wait for alt & hdg light to go out. Is this correct?
Once you've input the ILS frequency for the runway you're going to land on, the only autopilot buttons you really need are ALT, APP, and the autopilot master switch. If you have the CRS or HDG active during the final approach, the plane will continue to follow a linear path, eventually taking you off of your approach path. In some planes, I think the 747 is one of them, there is a switch or knob labelled "NAV/GPS". I don't know this for certain, but I think that it must be set to "NAV" in order for the autopilot to fully utilize the NAV1 frequencies. I usually do that just to be safe during my final approach.
Gunny 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 7:39 
you must be 18oo ft or above runway alt. ILS freguencys are in the GPS or go to map. VORS will get you to airport only then switch Freq. to ILS freq.For landing you must be pointed @ the
green tail on the GPS.ILS you don't need to mess with needles, VOR only do you line up needles.Gunny
jcabanas 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 8:03 
Are you using the default 747? In the default cockpits there is a switch to navigate with the autopilot NAV/GPS, if you are using the flight planner and switch to GPS so the autopilot can follow the flight plan, make sure to switch back to NAV for approach otherwise the autopilot will not make the approach, I don't know if that is your case but it is an idea.
jcabanas 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 8:09 
引用自 Bojokamofo
引用自 gra123
I am happy that I have the correct frequency. Once i am on the correct bearing and height given by ATC I switch on app so that the bearing, alt app and auto are all lit and I wait for alt & hdg light to go out. Is this correct?
Once you've input the ILS frequency for the runway you're going to land on, the only autopilot buttons you really need are ALT, APP, and the autopilot master switch. If you have the CRS or HDG active during the final approach, the plane will continue to follow a linear path, eventually taking you off of your approach path. In some planes, I think the 747 is one of them, there is a switch or knob labelled "NAV/GPS". I don't know this for certain, but I think that it must be set to "NAV" in order for the autopilot to fully utilize the NAV1 frequencies. I usually do that just to be safe during my final approach.

Yep you are right, it must be in NAV position, I didn't see your comment before posting mine, sorry!!
roggek 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 8:21 
引用自 barnstormer1
PRACTICE, Use a C172. Thing happen much slower. New pilots dont train on a 747!

No, no no. Start practice "manual landings" with the Ultratrike and maybe the Piper Cub.
When you can fully manage manual landings to 100%, not until then you may go further with ILS landings! You have to crawl before you can walk!
最后由 roggek 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 8:22
Sistermatic™ 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 9:50 
引用自 jcabanas
Are you using the default 747? In the default cockpits there is a switch to navigate with the autopilot NAV/GPS, if you are using the flight planner and switch to GPS so the autopilot can follow the flight plan, make sure to switch back to NAV for approach otherwise the autopilot will not make the approach, I don't know if that is your case but it is an idea.
RangerX3X did say this in post #2... Musta got overlooked. :)


引用自 Gunny
you must be 18oo ft or above runway alt. ILS freguencys are in the GPS or go to map. VORS will get you to airport only then switch Freq. to ILS freq.For landing you must be pointed @ the
green tail on the GPS.ILS you don't need to mess with needles, VOR only do you line up needles.Gunny
He was using ATC on IFR so he would have been FL3 so GS would have been fine. But yes just watch the needles and/or look for an LOC indicator light.

With some aircraft (like my payware Dash 8 Q400) I can turn on APPR at 20+nm, it'll stay on FL3 and HDG and will display a nice bright green LOC when APPR has "the ball" and start the approach all by itself when ready.

Did a complete ILS touchdown other night out of curiosity and never touched the controls until ready to taxi to the ramp. Was a very nice feeling :)
最后由 Sistermatic™ 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 9:52
Sistermatic™ 2015 年 1 月 20 日 下午 9:52 
引用自 roggek
引用自 barnstormer1
PRACTICE, Use a C172. Thing happen much slower. New pilots dont train on a 747!

No, no no. Start practice "manual landings" with the Ultratrike and maybe the Piper Cub.
When you can fully manage manual landings to 100%, not until then you may go further with ILS landings! You have to crawl before you can walk!
Didn't know the Ultratrike or Cub could do ILS.
stickmon 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 12:08 
引用自 Hopeless
I have problem with ILS landing also. I don't want to use AP.

Appriciate if anyone does manual landing these days lol.

I am able to line up the ILS needle along with the runway and approach from 15 nm from airport. The issue is few miles from runway the needle start to jump all very quickly even with slight change in heading (cross wind).

Should I be constantly adjust the heading to compensate alignment? What is the best way to make minor 1 degree changes? Should I use my rudder padel or bank using yoke?

The aircraft I am using is CRJ700.

It is up to you as the pilot whether your VFR approach is a visual one utilizing the VASI or PAPI offered, and/or a VFR instrumented piloted assisted ils approach to chase the needles and keep them centered.
It takes practice. When your getting 2 nm from the rwy your getting close to the go visual only in a CRJ700, and sometimes both Yoke and Pedals are required to maintain the center line on rwy and the needles. Always check ATIS well before landing to find the active to make sure your using the right rwy., coming in on the wrong rwy can spell diasaster, and missed approaches. Nose into the wind for Take Offs, and Landings and may there be many and safe.
最后由 stickmon 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 12:15
stickmon 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 1:47 
引用自 gra123
I am having difficulties in landing with ILS even after watching tutorials on youtube.I am flying a 747 from one airport to another using autopilot. I have entered the frequency for the runway given by ATC on Nav 1 and switched to active. After ATC have given instructions to land when established on ILS I switch the app.on while still leaving the auto, bearing and alt lights on and wait until established and the alt & bearing lights eventually should go off. Nothing happens and I just continue to fly on the bearing and alt fixed. Has anyone any idea what I may be doing wrong as it is very frustrating at the end of a flight. Its a pity one cant practise without going through a flight first.

An ils approach is an ils approach whether your in a cessna or the 747, the aircraft makes no difference in what your trying to accomplish here.

People here in this post have made correct statments regaurding,

FSX ATC does not give you the ils frequecy for the rwy your going to land on. You will only get Comm frequencys for talking to Tower or Ground when arriving at their field. Unless you have actual ATC in the session doing Tower and has the ils frequency and passes this information to you. You will have to obtain the ils frequency yourself and enter that into NAV 1 yourself and make Active. Some here have offered how to obtain this information within FSX, and it's up to you as a pilot to always do a pre-flight before Take Off, and that you have all the required info before you Take Off :)

Your flying from airport to another and I assume your flying in the GPS mode using the autopilot. This is a good way to fly from A to B, but there will be a point when GPS mode is done with this flight, and NAV mode now becomes the neccesary to complete the trip using the autopilot the rest of the way. When is a good time to swich from GPS mode to NAV mode, usually before your in range of the ils signal 30 nm. However some FSX pilots would get lost before they arrive at the field disengauging their GPS mode. So your good at getting yourself established on the ils and this is when you want to be in NAV mode now.

By being established on the ils your needle is a straight line and not broken showing the rwy neither left of right, but just a nice straight line top to bottom, and your inbound for the center of the rwy your about to land on I assume here. This is the 1st part, the 2nd part is the GS the Glide Scope Indicator flag must be active/visable, and the indicator flag above center in order to activate the APPR button on the autopilot. If your GS indicator flag is at or below center you will not be able to capture the Glide Scope and aircraft will continue on inbound but at level flight. Declare a Missed Approach Go Around and try again.

There are many details and factors yet unexplained here, we the community here have outlined the bare basics pretty good.

You obtain the correct rwy ils frequency, and rwy heading.
You establish yourself on the ils in NAV mode, not GPS mode.
You ensure straight ils needle, and GS indicator flag is visable and above center.
You push APPR button on autopilot when above is done, then enjoy the ride in.
If all attempts fail yet on your ils approach,maybe we'll set a time up and you could be my co-pilot at 1st, then I'll transfer controls to you and we'll do some ils approaches in a shared 747.
Sistermatic™ 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 1:56 
引用自 stickmon
An ils approach is an ils approach whether your in a cessna or the 747, the aircraft makes no difference in what your trying to accomplish here.
It does when you're faffing to fix LOC frequency for an ATC called runway and the difference in speed is 80kn versus 250kn which was why the point was made.

You have more time to study and understand what's happening. The *process* remains the same, the *reaction time* is dramatically different :)

Of course... there's always PAUSE.. lol
最后由 Sistermatic™ 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 1:59
Vesku_63 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 2:27 
In addition, I have noticed that all the ILS CODIT do not work in FSX. I've come across a problem Sweden Stockholm / Arlanda runway 1R, Finland, if I remember Varkaus airport or Savonlinna. And if I remember correctly, Latvia and Lithuania airports ILS FSX code does not work.

I first thought that the fault is my airplane and I contacted the Lionheart (Quick Kodiak), and they say that there is a problem with FSX. e.g. Learjet45 does not work correctly.
stickmon 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 2:45 
65 kt. cessna 172, 185 kt. 7474 configured for landing, yes I would assume some need the pause if available in a session. For some it would and does make a difference at first. Don't really know of too many, or if any aircraft that come in that hot at a 250 kt.approach. Most traffic maximum speed for aircraft that type is 185 Kts.

It's either there or it isn't, depends on a pilots skills of anticipating, and executing. Really not hard at all once realized.
最后由 stickmon 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 2:48
stickmon 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 2:59 
引用自 vesku_63
In addition, I have noticed that all the ILS CODIT do not work in FSX. I've come across a problem Sweden Stockholm / Arlanda runway 1R, Finland, if I remember Varkaus airport or Savonlinna. And if I remember correctly, Latvia and Lithuania airports ILS FSX code does not work.

I first thought that the fault is my airplane and I contacted the Lionheart (Quick Kodiak), and they say that there is a problem with FSX. e.g. Learjet45 does not work correctly.

Now there are LOC and ILS, A LOC will give you the rwy but not the Glide Scope in cases, and will be VASI equipped for your glide indicator. You are required to navigate your decent. I'm not saying this is the problem, just something a pilot should be aware of. Does the Terminal Procedures for these airports in real life call these approaches ILS or LOC approaches. Just like all VOR's are not DME.
最后由 stickmon 编辑于; 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 3:19
Sistermatic™ 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 3:06 
引用自 stickmon
引用自 vesku_63
In addition, I have noticed that all the ILS CODIT do not work in FSX. I've come across a problem Sweden Stockholm / Arlanda runway 1R, Finland, if I remember Varkaus airport or Savonlinna. And if I remember correctly, Latvia and Lithuania airports ILS FSX code does not work.

I first thought that the fault is my airplane and I contacted the Lionheart (Quick Kodiak), and they say that there is a problem with FSX. e.g. Learjet45 does not work correctly.

Now there are LOC and ILS, A LOC will give you the rwy but not the Glide Scope,and will be VASI equipped for your glide indicator. You are required to navigate your decent.
Confusion reigns supreme.

I get LOC and descent is handled. What'd I miss?
stickmon 2015 年 1 月 21 日 上午 3:18 
to much I'm afraid my friend
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