Solutions for sustainable harvesting of fibrous leaves and supply of lashings "rope"

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I saw many topics mentioning the fibrous leaves which come from Yucca tree or Young Coconut tree. Unfortunatly after butchering the island you are on of all Yucca trees you are left hopeing young coconut trees "spawn" at a constant rate to be able to produce lashings. Hopping around other islands isn't quite sustainable, a better solution for "rope" making sources would be encouraged, even dumping a whole heap of "rope" in the wooden crates would be nice, etc.

[V11CU96]

Yeah water and lashing production is what slows your progression down the most.

I thought you could farm Yuccas now, not that it solves the problem as you need Yuccas to make water, and water to make Yuccas.
Unless you profit from each cycle, there's no point.
How many water portions does a farmed Yucca need to grow - vs how many fiberous leaves it creates that can be turned to water via the Solar still?
Anyone done the math? Hopefully Beam have.

Does rain feed Farmed plants and solar stills yet? it really should do!

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The biggest issue with this is that I don't particularly want to butcher the whole island of palm trees and coconuts, im sure its a survival game but some sort of sustaniblity should be possible.

[V11CU96]

Green Hell solution, Rain refills stuff, so simple.
I think the other big question is why did they remove the loot bucket and the other water making contraption. There was no reason to take them way, and leave us with solar stills and ceramic pots only.I don't understand Beams obsession with removing something old every other time they add something new.

Beam if you read this, can you just not remove any more ♥♥♥♥ please! (apart from bugs & glitches)
Loot buckets, Loot meds and most Loot tools all gone now..... Standed Deep would have about 20% more content if they didn't keep doing this for 4 years.

[☆TheDough]

Yucca and young palms regenerate daily, I don't understand why we would even need to farm yucca. I currently have multiple crates full of rope and fibrous leaves.

[V11CU96]

Yucca & Young palm didn't regenerate daily when i last played, it was like 2-3 days maybe its changed?

[Gladi8er65]

The fact of the matter is that rain DOES contribute to the level of the water still and garden plot, at the rate of 1 unit of water per in-game hour of rainfall but does NOT do all the "work" for you... It means that you have to actually gather resources and maintain those items and not just wait around for the rain to fall... rain will not supply all your water needs.

The removal of buckets and looted meds and tools was to make the game more of a hands-on survival game where you live off-the land and use resources to create the things you need to survive and less of a "loot your way through" exploration game.... the same reason blue tarps are being removed.

If you got stranded on an island, in real life, and tried to survive by finding pre-packaged medications and metal buckets you would be dead in about 3 days or less.

Surviving doesn't just "happen", you have to work for it.. work AT it, by using the natural resources in your area to secure water / food and shelter, and, if need be, herbal medical remedies.

I completely support Beams efforts to make this more of a survival simulator and removing all the pre-packaged, pre-made loot items that made the game unrealistic ("loot-to-live" scenario), and replacing them with plausible, "natural" alternatives that make more sense in a survival situation.

I personally don't see the need to farm yucca (garden plots) as this is already a re-newable resource and for the amount of attention required, you are far better off using those garden plots to grow Pipi (which is not re-newable) in order to prepare antidotes... Since wild potatoes no longer respawn, the garden plots are also useful to grow them for making fuel.

The spawn rate of yucca and small palms is 2 days and if you take a little time every other day to harvest all of them on a large island, you will eventually build up a good supply of them even if you are like me and use fibrous leaves for water stills, and as fuel (burn) in smoker / fire pit and in fuel still and for the odd lashing or 2 for crafting once in a while.... and of course, theres bunches of other islands which can also be harvested in the same manner if more fibrous leaves are needed.

[Knightmare]

The main point of the farmable yucca is that you can harvest more yucca in a smaller time span using far less energy than you can island hopping.
Most islands have 3 yucca plants on them and if you build 6 yucca farm plots for instance you can get 9 total yucca plants on an island which translates to 54 leaves (every plant drops 6 leaves) every 2 days, 12 of which (2 days x 6 plots x 1 water ea) will be used for water stills leaving you with 42 leaves to do with as you please every 2 days. If you do it the old fashioned way of island hopping you have to hop at minimum of 3 islands (3 islands x 6 leaves x 3 plants = 54) to get the same amount, true over the course of a day instead of 2 days but how much water and food did the survivor man have to expend to get those 54 vs farming? too much to justify the energy/water expenditure vs farming for the same amount I'd say, never mind if you build more plots. I'd rather spend my time hunting down sharks and doing other things in that time and with that energy.

[Gladi8er65]

Originally posted by Knightmare:

The main point of the farmable yucca is that you can harvest more yucca in a smaller time span using far less energy than you can island hopping.
Most islands have 3 yucca plants on them and if you build 6 yucca farm plots for instance you can get 9 total yucca plants on an island which translates to 54 leaves (every plant drops 6 leaves) every 2 days, 12 of which (2 days x 6 plots x 1 water ea) will be used for water stills leaving you with 42 leaves to do with as you please every 2 days. If you do it the old fashioned way of island hopping you have to hop at minimum of 3 islands (3 islands x 6 leaves x 3 plants = 54) to get the same amount, true over the course of a day instead of 2 days but how much water and food did the survivor man have to expend to get those 54 vs farming? too much to justify the energy/water expenditure vs farming for the same amount I'd say, never mind if you build more plots. I'd rather spend my time hunting down sharks and doing other things in that time and with that energy.

I have almost 2,000 hours in this game and have never had issues with getting enough fibrous leaves, and DON'T have to island hop to get them....

MY point is that Yucca is not the ONLY place to get fibrous leaves,,,, between the 3 yuccas on an island, there are numerous small palms which also respawn every other day...

I generally keep 3 water stills completely stocked up and burn fibrous leaves (instead of wood), and usually have enough fibrous leaves on hand, at all times, simply by harvesting all the yucca and small palms on my home island (large island) every other day.

I am one of those players who do not cut down palm trees on my home island (love that pristine look), so I travel to other islands for cutting down trees... Of course, each time a palm tree is cut down, it provides palm fronds, SO those are also collected and used (water stills and burning).

WHILE I am on another island harvesting trees, I also spend a few extra minutes (since Im there already) and harvest ALL the fibrous leaves (yucca and small palms) on that island before returning home.... since fibrous leaves stack to 24, they don't take up much space.

While I suppose it's nice to have the option, to grow yucca, I still would rather use my garden plot space to grow Pipi and potatoes (not respawnable) since getting fibrous leaves is not an issue that I feel warrants the NEED to farm them.

I think the only situation where I would consider farming yucca is if they removed respawn on small palms / yuccas (as they did with potatoes), but I really hope they aren't going to do that.

[Knightmare]

I don't have a problem with fibrous leaves either, i'm just saying its far easier/more energy efficient to farm them rather than hunt for them, especially early on. I have so many pipis and any other plant type farmed (potatos, the fruitsm whatever) that I have filled boxes upon boxes of them and are more like spam at this point, but I have more of a need for the fibrous leaves because they are multi-purpose, water, fuel, lashings, you can harvest the young palm trees for leaves yes but it is alot more wear and tear on an axe than just harvesting a yucca tree. Either way the math works out that its worth someones effort to farm everything, including yuccas.

[☆TheDough]

I currently have 6 farming plots, only 1 of each for growing each of the herbs (pipi, aloe etc) for each of the medicinal needs and then 1 each of the fruits, and those 6 alone are enough work to maintain (water & harvest). I don't even want to imagine planting 6 more fibrous leaves and having to maintain them as well because they take a whole lot of water to grow! We should also look at the water cost when calculating the "time & energy" of farming yucca. If I remember correctly it takes 6 water drops per crop, which produces 6 fibrous leaves? Then you would have to turn around and use those 6 leaves in the water still for 6 more water for the next crop? This seems kind of self-defeating.

Please note that I have not checked out the .52 EXP build as of yet so I am speaking merely from my own thoughts, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm still thinking it's easier to harvest them off other islands while I'm scavenging them for other required resources. Like I said above, I literally have TONS of fibrous leaves and lashings etc. already and simply don't see the need.

[Knightmare]

It takes water initially to get them growing like any other farmable item, but to keep them watered after they are fully grown you only need 1 per day like any other crop, so in total you have 6 leaves harvested and 2 of those 6 would be used for the water still to keep them watered, you get 4 leaves per plot for your efforts, far less effort to walk over to 6 plots and water them to get a stack of leaves. On my non-EXP game I have over 10 plots (at least 2 of each type of plant + 4 potatos) and I have no issues with water and thats using 15 water stills. If anything this EXP version is a godsend for how much time i'm saving harvesting leaves, I've got 3 yucca plots now (6 total on island) and I plan on building 6-9 more.

[Vane]

Currently playing experimental. Young palm and yuccas are regenerating, and at a good pace.

[MrJJuK]

Originally posted by V11CU96:

Yucca & Young palm didn't regenerate daily when i last played, it was like 2-3 days maybe its changed?

its daily when respawn now