Mosin Nagant - fast aiming

[≡ WOLF ≡]

QS vs FA differences :)


1. Some time ago I was told that some players don't like QS. At the time I uploaded my
video, to me it was obvious that "quick scoping" means skills and training because
you have to
* aim USING THE SCOPE, putting it very quickly in the right position,
* shoot, and
* to leave scope view until you line up the next shot.

2. In the meantime, I found out that the term "QS" is already "established" in bullseye
games and it is perceived as some kind of trick, because all you have to do is to blindly
click left / right on the mouse buttons, in fractions of a second, so, in fact, you NEED
NO SCOPE to aim.

3. Because the aiming technique of the two is completely different, I thought we need
a boundary between them which is why I started using the term "fast aiming", which
more accurately describes how things are. FA is HARD SCOPING.

QS - The classic QS, from bullseye (meaning point to point shot) games (as in CSGO, Black Squad, Call of Duty, maybe even SE 4 cadet), involves centering your enemy on the screen and then clicking left / right in fractions of a second (in less than a second - as it's definition says on FPS communities - otherwise they say it's hardscoping 😃), so you can shoot as soon as the crosshair is visible (you, basically, need no scope for aiming).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qTCAtIjiw
FA - In opposition, in SE 4 you could never do this, on long range maps (hits over 100 m), with bullet drop and wind, because you have to aim your opponent through the scope, and put the scope's crosshair in the correct position, fast enough, according to bullet's trajectory !!!, which is not the case in QS, at all (usually it takes at least 1 second); it cannot be otherwise.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1960935067
As you can see, that's the big difference and, at the same time, the difficulty (especially if it is a “headshot only” match and if you do FA while you are moving); you need very high accuracy, you have to be a really experienced sniper.

So, the "experts" who criticize FA in Sniper Elite 4 "headshot only, bd/w" matches, due or not to the "flock effect" (an "expert" say something and this becomes immutable law for his admirers, even if he is wrong 😆), don't realize the huge difference between these two cases mentioned above, or they prefer not to talk about it. 😀

🤔 The question is: After you've seen an opponent, you wait a few seconds, with your slow bolt-action rifle (because there are also rapid firing bolt-action rifles ...), smiling friendly and looking at him through the scope, so that other players don't become irritated due to your good reflexes in spotting and aiming the enemies, or you shoot him down before he, or maybe another one which you don't see while your slow rifle is reloading, can kill you? 🤨

[[Parano]SamSam]

well said

[HalloweenWeed (US)]

I love the Mosin-Nagant for all my non-"coop survival" sniping. That said, I always play on Authentic modes now (no zoom adjustment), and the 6x zoom is just too much to find your next target inside the scope unless you are lucky enough that he is right next to your last kill. So I leave scope view for a second to line up the next shot. This is one of the reasons that the Mosin is not ideal for coop survival, as you often do not have the time to leave your scope view to line-up your next shot (the other reason: fire rate).
So as a result I use the Winchester 1895 for coop survival. It has a much faster rate of fire, slightly lower scope magnification (but higher than others), and yet still a great range and one of the highest of damages among the non-bolt-action rifles.

[wicked lester]

I played the entire main campaign with the starting Springfield but I'm just starting to experiment now with the DLC, starting with the SV, I believe. I may try the MN next.

[≡ WOLF ≡]

Originally posted by HalloweenWeed (US):

I love the Mosin-Nagant for all my non-"coop survival" sniping. That said, I always play on Authentic modes now (no zoom adjustment), and the 6x zoom is just too much to find your next target inside the scope unless you are lucky enough that he is right next to your last kill. So I leave scope view for a second to line up the next shot. This is one of the reasons that the Mosin is not ideal for coop survival, as you often do not have the time to leave your scope view to line-up your next shot (the other reason: fire rate).
So as a result I use the Winchester 1895 for coop survival. It has a much faster rate of fire, slightly lower scope magnification (but higher than others), and yet still a great range and one of the highest of damages among the non-bolt-action rifles.

You're right! This is definitely the idea in the case of Mosin Nagant: to see more quickly what is going on around you and to identify the next target, because most of the time you can't do this with the scope, or to avoid being killed if you missed the first shot with your slow rifle, and you have the chance of a second shot only after a few seconds, you will not stay in scope view, "tapping" the ground and waiting for the moment when you can shoot again! 🤣
It's true, this is not the case of Winchester 1895, as you said! 👍

[HalloweenWeed (US)]

I don't think that there were many scopes in WWII that were 6x or more, I'm not sure but I doubt any military-issued.

[[Parano]SamSam]

mosin nagan is the best rifle for NC headshot... but you must play qs most of the time for it is slow fire rate that frustrated speed fire rate sniper players like Winchester players who want you to stay on scoping while they try to hit you like lottery......
mn sniper NC no adjustment and no empty lung video
https://youtu.be/E-Z-4qDe4cY

[≡ WOLF ≡]

Sam, I like chess, I play chess and maybe that's why I think it is very important not to leave things (and terms) at chance, so every piece must always be in its correct position! 😄

Don't you think?

When I talked about "QS" in my video intro, I obviously considered "fast aiming" but, in the meantime, I realized that clearer definitions of terms are needed to avoid the confusion; so I opened this topic on "community".

I thought using the term FA would be very useful; this is a very good thing that a sniper gets after gaining more experience, added to his abilities. Everyone can call this how he wants, but in no case QS!

Everyone who watches the video from the paragraph "QS" will realize what a big difference is between the two techniques.

So, in your video I see that you are doing "fast aiming", not QS at all, which shows that you have many skills and gaming experience, and I see also the correct adaptation of the tactics to the conditions of combat (the scope, the rate of fire, bullet’s trajectory / bullet drop and wind ...)

If others, because of frustration, keep shouting, desperate, "QS", let them do it, you can't lighten their brain against their will ...

[[Parano]SamSam]

Originally posted by ≡ WOLF ≡:

Originally posted by ParanoSamSam:

mosin nagan is the best rifle for NC headshot... but you must play qs most of the time for it is slow fire rate that frustrated speed fire rate sniper players like Winchester players who want you to stay on scoping while they try to hit you like lottery......
mn sniper NC no adjustment and no empty lung video
https://youtu.be/E-Z-4qDe4cY

Sam, I like chess, I play chess and maybe that's why I think it is very important not to leave things (and terms) at chance, so every piece must always be in its correct position! 😄

Don't you think?

When I talked about "QS" in my video intro, I obviously considered "fast aiming" but, in the meantime, I realized that clearer definitions of terms are needed to avoid the confusion; so I opened this topic on "community".

Given that "QS" is already "established" in bullseye games and because the aiming technique in SE4 is completely different, as I showed above, I thought of using the term "fast aiming", which more accurately describes how things are; this is a very good thing that a sniper gets after gaining more experience, added to his abilities. Everyone can call this how he wants, but in no case QS!

Everyone who watches the video from the paragraph "QS" will realize what a big difference is between the two techniques.

So, in your video I see that you are doing "fast aiming", not QS at all, which shows that you have many skills and gaming experience, and I see also the correct adaptation of the tactics to the conditions of combat (the scope, the rate of fire, bullet’s trajectory / bullet drop and wind ...)

If others, because of frustration, keep shouting, desperate, "QS", let them do it, you can't lighten their brain against their will ...

totally right m8.
in SE1 we were playing the real QS, we were clicking right and left click mouse at same time or some players put them in in one click using macro, so the opponent don't see that you are scoping, they see rifle is always down when shooting.
and yes the right term in SE4 for this pretended QS for some players is fast aiming, where scoping, aiming, shooting, releasing scope in a very short time...

[≡ WOLF ≡]

That’s the idea:

- Mosin Nagant is not ideal for use in co-op survival, as HalloweenWeed (US) very well said, because of the reasons he showed earlier, and I can say that neither in multiplayer matches, generally where the game dynamics are very fast (except 1 vs 1 matches, when your opponent uses the same rifle and where the dynamics is slower)

- However, if you love Mosin Nagant (or Kar98, let’s say) you will definitely use it also in multiplayer games, being aware that the chances to miss the shots are higher (basically, you only have one chance to shoot, because the second chance will come quite late ), you have to be able to aim fast (setting the reticle in the correct position according to bullet traiectory), shoot fast and ... to have patience and wait until you can use the next bullet, or your rifle reloads (which is not fast at all ).

- This is FA (fast aiming)!!!

[Snew@r]

Something about the MN technique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep6QeybVZ9g
He aims "too" quickly, shoots "too" quickly and leaves the scope view ... is this the blamed "QS", or it's sniper's experience and skills? ...
The fact is that older players, who started with SE1, know what QS means. From what I saw, they are the ones who appreciate a real rifle, like Mosin Nagant, using it in matches, somewhat against the odds, because they are very good snipers due to their experience. Surely those who complain about QS in SE4, are not more than 3 years old on Steam and probably never used Mosin Nagant or Kar98 in multiplayer matches to see what the difference is compared to their "machine gun"-like rifles.

[[Parano]Boandlkramer]

What is quickscope?


The act of quickly scoping in with a sniper rifle to kill an opponent.


In Sniper Elite games it is possible to use quickscope at short distances or when you are on a server with cadet settings without wind and bullet drop, but it is not possible at long distances with wind, bullet drop and headshot only.
At longer distances you need to aim above your enemy and to the side where the wind comes from and that's why it is almost impossible to use QS at bigger distances because it is not enough just to bring the head of your enemy to the center of your screen and press the right and left mouse buttons.
If you need more than a second, it is no more quickscope!
It's classical hardscope like the 2for1 headshots in the video where the scope is open for more than a second before the shot is fired.

https://youtu.be/LjP1VBpZJcE

[≡ WOLF ≡]

No doubt!

It's funny to see players with thousands of hours of experience in the game, "surfing" through a thick fog, making ridiculous statements and mixing up Fast Aiming (hardscoping) and QuickScoping - the very good FA's technique with the blindly left/right mouse button pressing in the QS, which basically DOES NOT NEED the scope to aim, as was discussed above.

[Captain Black]

Originally posted by ≡ WOLF ≡:

No doubt! :sniperelite:

It's funny to see players with thousands of hours of experience in the game, "surfing" through a thick fog, making ridiculous statements and mixing up Fast Aiming (hardscoping) and QuickScoping - the very good FA's technique with the blindly left/right mouse button pressing in the QS, which basically DOES NOT NEED the scope to aim, as was discussed above.

Fast Aimers Get Good On The Scope

I doubt this post applies to me, as I'm unable to play games using m/kb.

Anyway. Fast Scope, (can I call it that?) to me. Is coming out of scope view for a split second to conserve breath, while I line up my next target.

I'm currently playing through the campaign, without being detected and am 'mostly' having some difficulty overcoming the 2 squads based around the pillbox at Magazzino Facility. Due to difficult angles, little cover, close proximity and miscalculations on my part. (I've decided to kill them all, instead of nipping past them on that map).

Any tips for clearing out that section safely? Will FA work on those guys?

[≡ WOLF ≡]

If you want to be undetected in "sniper elite" mode or above, without assist or range adjustment, and because the Magazzeno Facility map is full of enemies, I would say that
* you should try to sneak in until you have a better viewing angle and
* +/- a rifle with a better fire rate than Mosin Nagant (in case that action's dynamics suddenly becomes higher ) and
* +/- "suppressed ammo"

and

* if you have enough experience to put the scope, in a very short time, in the correct position for aiming,

then and only then you could try FA

Because your question is a reply to my last post on this topic, it seemed fair to me to have a dialogue here, although we have departed a little from the basic idea, which is, mainly, about the big difference between QS and FA.

If you have an opinion on this subject, you should share it!

[Captain Black]

I was mostly just winding you up tbh.

I finished Magazzeno already. :)

So you're hard scoping and you call it Fast Aim?