Remember? When Atelier series was great before...

[BK-BERKE]

I'm glad I didn't buy this game. Does this game really have anything to do with the Atelier series? The game seemed suspicious from the start and it was obvious from the demo. Fans said the same thing.

The Atelier series went into decline with Ryza, but I don't want to take credit for it, Ryza's Tights saved the series. Although Ryza was a change I didn't like, the series was the Atelier series.

Yumia doesn't feel like an Atelier game. Up until now, the Atelier series has always had its own style. It had an art style. Yumia doesn't feel like an Atelier game in terms of both game design and art style, it feels more like a single-player mobile game trying to be Genshin Impact.

I think the Atelier series peaked with the Dusk trilogy, but Arland and Mysterious were also pretty good. Ryza was good, but it was when I started to worry about the future of the series. I also like old Atelier arcs like Mana Khemai and Iris.

Now I'm asking the developers. If you don't want to make Atelier, I understand, then leave the series, but don't try to market a game that has nothing to do with Atelier under the name Atelier. When Nihon Falcom did this with the Kiseki series, they killed the Kiseki series. Now they started making Sky FC Remake out of desperation. The same goes for Square Enix Final Fantasy 7.

Yumia is the most soulless Atelier game and this is the first time I didn't like the universe of an Atelier game. Please, I say this as a long-time fan. The universes of the old Atelier games had their own appealing style. Give us back the old Atelier style. I want to play a series with the spirit and style of the Atelier series, and I don't want Yumia to ever be a duplication-trilogy-quadruple. It shouldn't be considered canon and should be kept separate from the Atelier series. Thank you.

[BK-BERKE]

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

BG3 popular not for turn based it is popular cause good ropleplay, replayability, good story, good characters and good voiceacting.

No, the game was hugely popular because of its gameplay. Its story and characters arent exactly top-tier especially amongst games of its genre.

In fact its character designs and also the personalities of the characters are 'woke' designs. An ugly yandere woman, three hot men, an aggressive tsuntsun alien woman, an ugly demon (from a race that only has hot women and men ). Oh and 2 good looking women but they are both evil and you can't use them as companies in a reasonable playthrough.

Maybe instead of 'woke' I should say they are basically design choices made by western Fujoshi.

That didnt stop people from considering BG3 a great game, showing how little they cared about the characters.

Totally Agreed!

[VaniKa]

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

That didnt stop people from considering BG3 a great game, showing how little they cared about the characters.

Seems like circular reasoning. First you establish the characters being unlikable because of "woke" and then you use that as an argument why people must like the game for other reasons. Maybe they actually like the characters?

[Tiasmoon]

Publicado originalmente por VaniKa:

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

That didnt stop people from considering BG3 a great game, showing how little they cared about the characters.

Seems like circular reasoning. First you establish the characters being unlikable because of "woke" and then you use that as an argument why people must like the game for other reasons. Maybe they actually like the characters?

If you want to dismiss my arguments you will have to come up with better counter arguments instead of using a 'call to fallacy' to try and dismiss them out of hand and clear the board, so you can use a weak argument like ''maybe they like them'' as if its a good argument to the point I was making.

Publicado originalmente por VaniKa:

First you establish the characters being unlikable because of "woke"

I established the characters being woke. Not them being ''unlikeable''. The post I responded to called the characters ''good'', and my reply was in response to that.

In what way did I say that the male characters in BG3 are ''unlikeable'' by calling them hot?

[mardukay]

Publicado originalmente por BK-BERKE:

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

No, the game was hugely popular because of its gameplay. Its story and characters arent exactly top-tier especially amongst games of its genre.

In fact its character designs and also the personalities of the characters are 'woke' designs. An ugly yandere woman, three hot men, an aggressive tsuntsun alien woman, an ugly demon (from a race that only has hot women and men ). Oh and 2 good looking women but they are both evil and you can't use them as companies in a reasonable playthrough.

Maybe instead of 'woke' I should say they are basically design choices made by western Fujoshi.

That didnt stop people from considering BG3 a great game, showing how little they cared about the characters.

Totally Agreed! :praisesun:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[mardukay]

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

BG3 popular not for turn based it is popular cause good ropleplay, replayability, good story, good characters and good voiceacting.

No, the game was hugely popular because of its gameplay. Its story and characters arent exactly top-tier especially amongst games of its genre.

In fact its character designs and also the personalities of the characters are 'woke' designs. An ugly yandere woman, three hot men, an aggressive tsuntsun alien woman, an ugly demon (from a race that only has hot women and men ). Oh and 2 good looking women but they are both evil and you can't use them as companies in a reasonable playthrough.

Maybe instead of 'woke' I should say they are basically design choices made by western Fujoshi.

That didnt stop people from considering BG3 a great game, showing how little they cared about the characters.

such BS

[mardukay]

Publicado originalmente por VaniKa:

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

That didnt stop people from considering BG3 a great game, showing how little they cared about the characters.

Seems like circular reasoning. First you establish the characters being unlikable because of "woke" and then you use that as an argument why people must like the game for other reasons. Maybe they actually like the characters?

He is braindead.

[Tiasmoon]

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

Publicado originalmente por VaniKa:

Seems like circular reasoning. First you establish the characters being unlikable because of "woke" and then you use that as an argument why people must like the game for other reasons. Maybe they actually like the characters?

He is braindead.

Might well be, after all the gaslighting ive been subjected to.
However even then, I'm capable of interacting both ways. Are you?
Or is quick reactionary responses all you are capable of?

[mardukay]

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

He is braindead.

Might well be, after all the gaslighting ive been subjected to.
However even then, I'm capable of interacting both ways. Are you?
Or is quick reactionary responses all you are capable of?

what are you expect for your so called arguments "woke, blah blah blah. woke"? You did not deserve for discussion.

[Tiasmoon]

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

Publicado originalmente por Tiasmoon:

Might well be, after all the gaslighting ive been subjected to.
However even then, I'm capable of interacting both ways. Are you?
Or is quick reactionary responses all you are capable of?

what are you expect for your so called arguments "woke, blah blah blah. woke"? You did not deserve for discussion.

The argument that BG3 wasnt popular for its characters, is not deserving of discussion?
Would you rather talk about how it was in fact popular because of its gameplay then?

[Snug Smug]

Do you mean the PS1 or the PS2 atelier games, which I guarantee you never played, or the PS3 and forward modern version atelier?

Because atelier games used to just be JRPGs with some simple crafting in them.

[Tasty]

Publicado originalmente por Snug Smug:

Do you mean the PS1 or the PS2 atelier games, which I guarantee you never played, or the PS3 and forward modern version atelier?

Because atelier games used to just be JRPGs with some simple crafting in them.

Blatantly wrong, the salburg and gramnad games had strict and short timelimits with synthesis that got very complex by judie and the post rorona games also made synth more complex as the time limits relaxed and eventually were removed, these are not just generic jrpgs with some crafting mechanics the synth sys is essential to these games and most other mechanics revolve around it

[Superhanky2]

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

And kiseki is good, wtf are you talking about, bruh

And its obviosly successful. Its been finding new customers in the west the past few years

[Foxdie]

To me, although I'm enyoing the game, download 16GB was very suspicius. The CEO of Koei just want to squeeze every pen of the series by releasing 1 game a year. This games need more time to be develop and polish. Also there's another release this year so i think some founds went to that game. Koei pls don't kill this series.

[Yuuki]

Hey if all fails for whaterever reason they could rediscover the Mana Khemia Sub series.
To this day still the best off spin of the Atelier Series.

Other then that i dont get the hate on this new title. Yes it changes things but it didnt forgo the alchemy system. Its still there wether you like it or not.

[BK-BERKE]

Publicado originalmente por mardukay:

Publicado originalmente por BK-BERKE:

Totally Agreed!

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Falcom is releasing Sky Remake because they failed with Kiseki series. Sales crashed and the president himself admitted it. They also admitted that they divided the community. They destroyed the series for their own selfish gain. I was probably an older and more hardcore Falcom fan than most. Take off your blinders. JRPGs are dying. WRPGs have come a long way and JRPGs are resorting to cheap ways instead of improving themselves.