Ships and upgrades - Something not right

[fox2run]

The upgrade and wood system has a big flaw gamply-wise that HAS to change.

With the right upgrades and woods a ship of the line can be faster than a 5th rate. This is completely nuts and HAVE to change. It must never be so that a higher tier ship is gonna be faster than a lower tier ship. It kills gameplay totally like that.

You meet these superships that outgun you AND outrun you. That cannot be good for gameplay. MAny must go into fights and loose in minutes like this. What do you say?

[Zevz]

yup, majority of the playerbase is against this, with broken wood ships that only the biggest/richest clans have.. there are no point for newer medicore players to engage in those fights. plus many in those ships dont roam alone.. because they dont wanna lose them. completly kills OWpvp so only those few are roaming

[Maison De Cornusiac]

IF it really is a rare woods ship...

... or perhaps he is just using a wind boost. Which, let me remind you, is also available for your captured oak/mahogany thing.

Else I am left to remind you that even rare woods ships are mortal. He will use a hell of repairs each time. So he will run out of repairs sooner. What is your tactics? Team up with as many others as possible, together you will bring down his multi-million-reals ship.

By the way, most you are seeing are Redoutables + Victory 1765 these days. If so, they don't feature rare woods at all, as they are only available from seasoned woods.

[fox2run]

Originally posted by Maison De Cornusiac:

IF it really is a rare woods ship...

... or perhaps he is just using a wind boost. Which, let me remind you, is also available for your captured oak/mahogany thing.

Else I am left to remind you that even rare woods ships are mortal. He will use a hell of repairs each time. So he will run out of repairs sooner. What is your tactics? Team up with as many others as possible, together you will bring down his multi-million-reals ship.

By the way, most you are seeing are Redoutables + Victory 1765 these days. If so, they don't feature rare woods at all, as they are only available from seasoned woods.

Its not onlt OW Im talking about. Its IN battle. You have a good ship of lets say 4th or 5th rate and suddenly a 3rd rate is faster and outgun you. Its not even equal speed. its like 1,3 times quicker or so. Its like fighting spaceships with catapults or something. The game is out of balance somehow and favors big wealthy clans. Its not good for player base.

[Maison De Cornusiac]

You need to write your topic then in such way that no confusion of OW and battle instance is possible.
Still the speed does not necessarily result from rare woods, he could have speed upgrades and books with focus on speed. I think that has a much stronger influence on speed.
The other things I talked about still work. Just bring him down with a large number of cheap ships, at the end capture his ship and you will see if it really is made of rare woods. If so, you got yourself a nice loot.

[Zevz]

Originally posted by Maison De Cornusiac:

You need to write your topic then in such way that no confusion of OW and battle instance is possible.
Still the speed does not necessarily result from rare woods, he could have speed upgrades and books with focus on speed. I think that has a much stronger influence on speed.
The other things I talked about still work. Just bring him down with a large number of cheap ships, at the end capture his ship and you will see if it really is made of rare woods. If so, you got yourself a nice loot.

u alrdy knew what the dude was talking about.. SOL ship going faster then 6-5 rate ships in battle stop being dumb.. thats rare woods... u see DLC shiås because most people dont have those broken wood ships.. and can trow away a dlc.. for S wood... and there is something wrong if 1 broken wood ship can tank multi normal woods.

[Alopen]

The issue is stacking bonuses of rare woods + port bonuses + elite mods results in 4th rates with 32 pound cannons sailing at nearly 15 knots. Considering a fir fir 7th rate goes at that speed, it is hard to understand how a new player can expect to compete. I get it, the vet invested tons of time and money in to the tricked out Ingermaland/ Wasa/ Endymion. However, new players trying to grow to better ships do not appreciate having their time wasted by having their head kicked in over and over again. There is already an insane skill gap with veteran players shooting off masts with ease and the insane OP ships are not helping convince newer players stick around.

Newer players struggle to get out of 5th rates and a high percentage quit before they have 500 crew members. Rare woods should not have been added. Just more disparity for the haves over the have-nots.

[Granch]

fox2run
Zevz
Alopen

[Gustav_Fuchs]

What's the reason of having non-seasoned wood in the game then?
To turn it into the seasoned?
If so, this is also a clan priviledge as they have more resources and can season any wood in huge amounts. And then build ships of better quality, reinforced by their port bonuses and rare modules.
If this is an attempt to clan-ify the majority of the Naval Action population, then this is a really questionable approach.

Why DLC ships can be built of (S) woods?
To balance OP clan ships?
Ok.
But this is not even Pay-to-Win concept.
This is Pay-to-possibly-Compete!

Woods are only one problem of the game but really important for now.
All all there warious types of woods are not really nneded.
SEASONED: Teak-White Oak, Locust-Sabicu, Live Oak - White Oak and that's all you need and what actually works from available woods.

[Maison De Cornusiac]

Unseasoned woods is now the entry class - you sail and build these until you can afford seasoned and rare wood construction. On the good side, all exp won on such ships can still be used on seasoned/rare later. Actually it is fine still to have regular wood construction,f because if we only had seasoned/rare, you would be seen complaining about how over the top precious ships were newbies would inevitably lose during learning. Plus, prices keep low for regular made ships because there are the higher quality ones. How's about that?

[fox2run]

Originally posted by Gustav_Fuchs:

What's the reason of having non-seasoned wood in the game then?
To turn it into the seasoned?
If so, this is also a clan priviledge as they have more resources and can season any wood in huge amounts. And then build ships of better quality, reinforced by their port bonuses and rare modules.
If this is an attempt to clan-ify the majority of the Naval Action population, then this is a really questionable approach.

Why DLC ships can be built of (S) woods?
To balance OP clan ships?
Ok.
But this is not even Pay-to-Win concept.
This is Pay-to-possibly-Compete!

Woods are only one problem of the game but really important for now.
All all there warious types of woods are not really nneded.
SEASONED: Teak-White Oak, Locust-Sabicu, Live Oak - White Oak and that's all you need and what actually works from available woods.

+1

clan-ifying attempts are doomed to fail. The majority of players dont want to socialize themselves at TS where a bunch of players says the f-word in every second sentence. The playing community is plain dumb and Ive never heard so much bad talking. The smart ones left ages ago.

[seahiker]

The s and rear woods were introduced for various reasons and are likely to stay. The simplest imho (part) solution would be to increase the rate of production of s woods (in seasoning shed), making them mainstream. With more accessible s woods, the casual players / beginners will have access to better ships and the rare woods will become less of an issue.

[Zevz]

Originally posted by Maison De Cornusiac:

Unseasoned woods is now the entry class - you sail and build these until you can afford seasoned and rare wood construction. On the good side, all exp won on such ships can still be used on seasoned/rare later. Actually it is fine still to have regular wood construction,f because if we only had seasoned/rare, you would be seen complaining about how over the top precious ships were newbies would inevitably lose during learning. Plus, prices keep low for regular made ships because there are the higher quality ones. How's about that?

we gonna try again, we are talking about players "NONE VETS" who playing the game and is some said above, not even getting to 500 crew, because vets warpspeed them down at capitals, in broken wood ships.. even if these poor new players try to form up 1 vet in a broken wood ship outplays them all.. ive seen Moscalb take out multi enemys and those was not even all new players.. he has the skills combined with all broken woods and upgrades.. he knows every point of advantage he can get. he demast all players in one broadside. dont come and deffend this wood mechanic and say new players should make none S wood ships and fight in them until they can afford better.. those players dont stick around.. plus as the Vets only gets more and more wealthy, what do you think will happen to the price of certain things ? ye it will go up, so the "new" player will always be behind trying to get those extra cash to buy stuff to compete..

[OSwedeneriki]

you are right

[Jane Shepard]

Or you could just play PvE?

[WildBill]

Learn the, game level up, get the upgrades and book, and stop trying to screw those who have spent hours doing so with your whining. Why should a noob start with ships that are as good as a player who has spent 5000 hrs or more learning and grinding?

If it's too hard join a large Swede clan for the easy trade and the OP players can help you. This game has so many whiny players....OH the le req is cancer, oh the rare woods. Oh the fast 4 rates ...wa wa wa