New DLC ship

[Semper fidelis]

I would like to see an intermediate ship of the 2nd rank.
this would be a good alternative to the already released DLC.
Since there are already very few ships on rank 2
I make a suggestion for the introduction of this ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_Imperatritsa_Maria_(1853)
I think that the DLC 2 rank is a very suitable ship
this ship was rank 3, but you can balance it to the second rank using historical tools
8 × 68-pound shell guns
28 × 36-pound long guns
28 × 36-pound short guns
20 × 24-pound gunnades

[accents]

Kosmos님이 먼저 게시:

Maison De Cornusiac님이 먼저 게시:

Wapen and Ingermanland are the oldest ships in game, I think about 1722 and 1715. I think the century is rich enough of ships, should not go below their date.

If you do, there will always be someone who says "why not add ship yyyyy of date xxxx" and if devs always agree, you really arrive someday at the Yamato for modern ships and Greek galleys for ancient ships. There got to be red lines for the time frame... somewhere.

i think we have different opinions.
i am of the opinion that ships with almost the same technology lvl can also be used.
Of course, there should be no steamships or sailing boats from the 1200s.
adjusting the balance is no problem for these short periods of time. (1650 - 1850)

I see a much bigger problem when there is too little diversity. many ships are already extremely similar. (look)

I don’t really agree that all ships now in game have too little diversity. Its just that the lines are generally lower then ships from the 17th century.

Ships from the 17th century are much shorter and have a high profile and should be sitting ducks in comparison. There was quite a lot of advancement during the 18th century. Sure it might not be apparent for any one that is not a history buff. But why not cater to the history buffs?

[Kosmos]

CarlBaron님이 먼저 게시:

Kosmos님이 먼저 게시:

i think we have different opinions.
i am of the opinion that ships with almost the same technology lvl can also be used.
Of course, there should be no steamships or sailing boats from the 1200s.
adjusting the balance is no problem for these short periods of time. (1650 - 1850)

I see a much bigger problem when there is too little diversity. many ships are already extremely similar. (look)

I don’t really agree that all ships now in game have too little diversity. Its just that the lines are generally lower then ships from the 17th century.

Ships from the 17th century are much shorter and have a high profile and should be sitting ducks in comparison. There was quite a lot of advancement during the 18th century. Sure it might not be apparent for any one that is not a history buff. But why not cater to the history buffs?

It's still a game.

Historical?
like the repairs in combat for example?

Come on, a ship that served almost well into the 17th century is a problem for you.
but the unrealistic and historically incorrect game mechanics are ok?
the wapen has a old profile too and its ingame.

I don't know what sources you have, you can send me a link, but my sources roughly summarize the ships between the 16th and 18th centuries.

I understand that nobody wants ships that are too old or too modern.

[accents]

Kosmos님이 먼저 게시:

CarlBaron님이 먼저 게시:

I don’t really agree that all ships now in game have too little diversity. Its just that the lines are generally lower then ships from the 17th century.

Ships from the 17th century are much shorter and have a high profile and should be sitting ducks in comparison. There was quite a lot of advancement during the 18th century. Sure it might not be apparent for any one that is not a history buff. But why not cater to the history buffs?

It's still a game.

Historical?
like the repairs in combat for example?

Come on, a ship that served almost well into the 17th century is a problem for you.
but the unrealistic and historically incorrect game mechanics are ok?
the wapen has a old profile too and its ingame.

I don't know what sources you have, you can send me a link, but my sources roughly summarize the ships between the 16th and 18th centuries.

I understand that nobody wants ships that are too old or too modern.

Sure its a game and should be played as a game. Immersion is not necessarily the need to make a hard core sim.


Wapen is not really that good either. It turns well but its easy to hit.



As for sources i don’t have any that summaries three centuries. That is a really big time frame to summarise and sounds like wikipedia. But please post your source.

Three sources that comes to
mind regarding the advancement of ships in 18th century would be:

French Warships in the Age of Sail, 1786–1861: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates / by Rif Winfield, Stephen S Roberts

Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy / by Ian W. Tol

F. H. Chapman : the first naval architect and his work / by Daniel G. Harris.

[Kosmos]

CarlBaron님이 먼저 게시:

Kosmos님이 먼저 게시:

It's still a game.

Historical?
like the repairs in combat for example?

Come on, a ship that served almost well into the 17th century is a problem for you.
but the unrealistic and historically incorrect game mechanics are ok?
the wapen has a old profile too and its ingame.

I don't know what sources you have, you can send me a link, but my sources roughly summarize the ships between the 16th and 18th centuries.

I understand that nobody wants ships that are too old or too modern.

Sure its a game and should be played as a game. Immersion is not necessarily the need to make a hard core sim.


Wapen is not really that good either. It turns well but its easy to hit.



As for sources i don’t have any that summaries three centuries. That is a really big time frame to summarise and sounds like wikipedia. But please post your source.

Three sources that comes to
mind regarding the advancement of ships in 18th century would be:

French Warships in the Age of Sail, 1786–1861: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates / by Rif Winfield, Stephen S Roberts

Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy / by Ian W. Tol

F. H. Chapman : the first naval architect and his work / by Daniel G. Harris.

"Wapen is not really that good either. It turns well but its easy to hit."
but it is still in the game even if you personally don't like it.
The "Soleil Royal" has a very similar structure.

I think there will be no solution here.
Everyone has their own opinion.

We'll see what the developers will bring in the future.
I still hope for more diversity.

Rif Winfield: British Warships in the Age of Sail, 1714 to 1792

Rif Winfield: British Warships in the Age of Sail: 1793–1817

French Warships in the Age of Sail 1626 - 1786

[accents]

Kosmos님이 먼저 게시:

CarlBaron님이 먼저 게시:

Sure its a game and should be played as a game. Immersion is not necessarily the need to make a hard core sim.


Wapen is not really that good either. It turns well but its easy to hit.



As for sources i don’t have any that summaries three centuries. That is a really big time frame to summarise and sounds like wikipedia. But please post your source.

Three sources that comes to
mind regarding the advancement of ships in 18th century would be:

French Warships in the Age of Sail, 1786–1861: Design, Construction, Careers and Fates / by Rif Winfield, Stephen S Roberts

Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy / by Ian W. Tol

F. H. Chapman : the first naval architect and his work / by Daniel G. Harris.

"Wapen is not really that good either. It turns well but its easy to hit."
but it is still in the game even if you personally don't like it.
The "Soleil Royal" has a very similar structure.

I think there will be no solution here.
Everyone has their own opinion.

We'll see what the developers will bring in the future.
I still hope for more diversity.

Rif Winfield: British Warships in the Age of Sail, 1714 to 1792

Rif Winfield: British Warships in the Age of Sail: 1793–1817

French Warships in the Age of Sail 1626 - 1786

I like Rif Windields work.

Regarding ships technology level, I’d agree to disagree. We are entitled to our own opinions.

But I would rather se a focus on more diversity in the ships that we have. Like every second trinc thatis crafted could be in the paint of HMS Shannon, or HMS Unicorn. Maybe have the same with the Redoubtable, have her come out as a sister ship every now and again.

[Semper fidelis]

Maison De Cornusiac님이 먼저 게시:

What about Rayo (1749 in Habana)? Started as 80-gun-ship (3rd rate) but in 1803 received another deck and carried 100 guns thereafter. Could figure as 2nd rate after that.

There is also interesting sister ship Fenix, which did not receive the upgrade.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Rayo_(1749)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_ship_Fenix_(1749)

These ships are too weak for rank 2 as they don't have any + compared to rank 2! I suggested a ship that is grade 3 ! its only advantage is heavy weapons. Only due to this, it can be put on the 2nd rank . It is not an ordinary ship, it is not made of iron or powered by a steam engine.. this is the same sailing battleship as any other in our game, the only feature is the heavier weight of the salvo

[Semper fidelis]

Kosmos님이 먼저 게시:

I would be happy to see the "Soleil Royal (1670)"
It's different from most ships in-game and therefore something different.(very nice model)

It would be a French T1/2 ship with 1200 men and 104 guns:

36-pounder long guns
18-pounder long guns
12-pounder long guns
8-pounder long guns
4-pounder long guns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Soleil_Royal_(1670)

A good and quite beautiful ship

[Kosmos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Neptune_(1797)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ville_de_Paris_(Schiff,_1764)

[Callaghan]

i believe the oldest we have in game is the Ingermanland (1715), closely followed by the wapen (1722).

in the past it has been said that the devs have a timeframe of what ships they are happy to have in the game, but because of advancements in technology/construction, they dont really want to add any ships outwith those time frames, as they want the ships themselves to be as accurate as possible. So they arent really interested in having a more modern ship, with an inaccurate modified design, just to bring it into line with the rest

[Peiper]

That Russian ships is damned cool. Good suggestion, Semper Fi!