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Was Nash the most pointless character in SFV?
> Kolin spends resources to get him back to life, the key to it all
> I will avenge (me)?
> Android 16 explosion, except not inspirational

What was the point of him in story-mode?
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Washing Machine Jul 11, 2018 @ 11:58pm 
What was the point of anyone besides Ryu/Bison/FANG/Rashid?
IITWLLII -ES- Jul 12, 2018 @ 1:16am 
Originally posted by Liam Neeson Punching Wolves:
> Kolin spends resources to get him back to life, the key to it all
> I will avenge (me)?
> Android 16 explosion, except not inspirational

What was the point of him in story-mode?
Fan service, he was requested fairly often.

So Capcom constructed this story:
Kolin used Nash, because she wanted to get rid of Bison and weaken Shadowloo, without letting anyone know of her real association (Gill).
Bafford Jul 12, 2018 @ 5:02am 
His story would have much more sense if it was him - not Ryu - who defeated Bison at the end. This was kinda implied in the cinematic intro - you can clearly see Charlie fighting Bison and Ryu facing off against Necalli. In the end, both Charlie's and Necalli's appearances were almost meaningless.

I like Nash, he was always better than Guile for me - but in this game he got screwed over. It's similar to Eddy Gordo's story from T7. He was just handled bad. Remember how Guile always wanted to avenge Charlie in the past games? How he would visit his grave and whatnot? Here we have almost no interactions between the two. Chun-li also didn't even recognize him. The relationship that was the major driving force for Guile in the past games was so badly presented here that it hurts.

And the worst part of it all? Capcom will probably never let Charlie sleep peacefully - even now - after his "Android 16 explosion" his official status is listed as UNKNOWN....meh.
X Jul 12, 2018 @ 6:15am 
They got Charlie's fate right...in his arcade mode ending.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1409494374
Originally posted by Father Karras:
His story would have much more sense if it was him - not Ryu - who defeated Bison at the end. This was kinda implied in the cinematic intro - you can clearly see Charlie fighting Bison and Ryu facing off against Necalli. In the end, both Charlie's and Necalli's appearances were almost meaningless.

I like Nash, he was always better than Guile for me - but in this game he got screwed over. It's similar to Eddy Gordo's story from T7. He was just handled bad. Remember how Guile always wanted to avenge Charlie in the past games? How he would visit his grave and whatnot? Here we have almost no interactions between the two. Chun-li also didn't even recognize him. The relationship that was the major driving force for Guile in the past games was so badly presented here that it hurts.

And the worst part of it all? Capcom will probably never let Charlie sleep peacefully - even now - after his "Android 16 explosion" his official status is listed as UNKNOWN....meh.

It should have really been Akuma he used the power of nothing on, than some random monster man who shows up.

But I guess Capcom wanted to be jerks and hold him behind a season pass.
Cipher Esteria Jul 12, 2018 @ 8:44am 
The story mode was pointless in itself.
Originally posted by BruteJustice:
The story mode was pointless in itself.

They were following Netherrealms who raised the bar for story-telling in fighting games. Injustice and MK9 had pretty fun story-modes.

SFV was just wack.
Cipher Esteria Jul 12, 2018 @ 9:55am 
Originally posted by Liam Neeson Punching Wolves:

They were following Netherrealms who raised the bar for story-telling in fighting games. Injustice and MK9 had pretty fun story-modes.

SFV was just wack.

Should have hired CoD Story Writers.
At least then I would have expected quality ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from the start.

Or better follow the people who do good story modes.
GG and BB say hello.
''Y'' Jul 12, 2018 @ 11:11am 
Originally posted by Father Karras:
Remember how Guile always wanted to avenge Charlie in the past games? How he would visit his grave and whatnot? Here we have almost no interactions between the two. Chun-li also didn't even recognize him. The relationship that was the major driving force for Guile in the past games was so badly presented here that it hurts.
Yeah, that was my biggest gripe about the story. You'd think Guile and zombie Nash meeting would have been a huge dramatic thing, but they did absolutely nothing with it. They might as well have been complete strangers to each other.
lanepi Jul 12, 2018 @ 11:14am 
Well I wouldn't class him as pointless in the story.

A few things to note, because of Necali whom Ryu couldn't beat and was overwhelmed when Necali transformed. Ryu progressed a bit towards gaining his new found power though more progress/training.

Nash in his final moments weakened Bison and Bison easily defeated Necali (though Ryu did the same too when he achieved the power of nothingness) which makes Bison a big threat to fighting Ryu. Nash final moments weakened bison and if he didn't weaken Bison Ryu would have a far tougher fight than he did and even though Bison was weakened he has still proved to be difficult as the battle was long. ryu may not have suffered any psychical damage and appears to have a lot of stamina left but if Bison wasn't weakened Ryu probs would have suffered injuries and may need help to get out of the place.

A lot of it is speculation but i rather think this way. Even then i woulds till class others like Laura, Sean, to be more useless as Sean did nothing and Laura was beating fodders and that was all she did. At least Nash did put up a fight and weakened Bison.

zoiks Jul 12, 2018 @ 4:13pm 
Originally posted by Washing Machine:
What was the point of anyone besides Ryu/Bison/FANG/Rashid?

Wait, what?

I mean, Ryu and Bison were who they always are. Ryu's there to challenge himself and become a better fighter/control "dark" hadou, ie the most boring person on Earth. And Bison's there to use some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane plan to take over the world, OF COURSE! One's a McGuffin and the other wants to somehow use the McGuffin.

And I suppose you could say FANG is there for comic relief...

But Rashid? What the heck was his point? I remember being thoroughly confused by him. He's there to find his hacker friend who's gone missing/worked for shadaloo/was abducted by shadaloo? And he's brought along a friend/butler?/genie??? That's a less interesting and more confusing "story" than the average 2am tweet is.
Washing Machine Jul 12, 2018 @ 4:51pm 
And they are still the only ones to accomplish anything. Rest of the characters could be deleted altogether from the plot, and nothing would be lost. It boiled down to FANG having an evil plan to destroy the world or whatever, Bison being a big bad, Rashid stops FANG and Roo stops Bison. The end.

Do I like it? No. Did I expect anything better? Hell no.
Only good thing imo was FANG and Rashid, since at least they did something.
And no, FANG was not comic relief. He was basically the driving force and the actual main villain in the entire story. Sagat, Balrog and Vega are just enforcers who you fight before fighting Bison. Bison is just a bad guy at the final stage. FANG was actually fulfilling a role that needed to be fulfilled in the story, otherwise it'd just been random shadaloo scientist flunkies.
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Fang is a good character. Probably the best "new" character. Sadly due to people going for waifu or generic obv charaters, it will probably be his last game. As he's training up a girl after SFV.

https://youtu.be/dTPgvfa6pNk


Hey guys it's Ken. Hey guys it's Ken. Hey guys it's Ken. Hey guys it's Ryu. Hey guys it's Ryu. Hey guys it's Ryu. Hey guys it's Ryu. Hey guys it's Ryu. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Akuma. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy. Hey guys it's Cammy.

^ Rookie/bronze summed up
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X Jul 12, 2018 @ 5:37pm 
Originally posted by zoiks:

But Rashid? What the heck was his point? I remember being thoroughly confused by him. He's there to find his hacker friend who's gone missing/worked for shadaloo/was abducted by shadaloo? And he's brought along a friend/butler?/genie??? That's a less interesting and more confusing "story" than the average 2am tweet is.

Rashid motivated Nash to go back to his old ways instead of acting like a lone wolf.

Rashid passed the black moon pieces given to him by Kolin to Karin which halted the moons from operating.

He has the password needed to stop the moons from crashing to Earth.

He's pretty much done most of the work in saving the world.
Baines Jul 12, 2018 @ 10:01pm 
Originally posted by Father Karras:
His story would have much more sense if it was him - not Ryu - who defeated Bison at the end. This was kinda implied in the cinematic intro - you can clearly see Charlie fighting Bison and Ryu facing off against Necalli. In the end, both Charlie's and Necalli's appearances were almost meaningless.

Yes, that was the biggest disservice of Shadow Falls. It not only made Nash pointless, it automatically relegated Necalli (who was literally the poster boy for SFV) to an immediately forgotten one-and-done status.

Capcom had heavily promoted Nash as Bison's rival in advance. There was also the implication that Ryu's main rival would be Necalli. And Shadow Falls even starts that way... Nash is driven to take down Bison while Ryu stays away from the Bison story.

And then that is all thrown away at the end, just so Ryu can be the big hero who takes down Bison. All the Nash build-up is stopped cold when Bison beats him.

But at least Nash played a part in the story. Necalli was supposed to be the big new guy for SFV, but he is completely disposable. He isn't even turned into a B-plot, he's more like a D-plot. He could be removed without changing the story a single bit. Sure, Ryu powers up due to his fight with Necalli, but Ryu was already doing the training for that before fighting Necalli.



I still wonder if Shadow Falls was a recycled movie/OVA script that was shoehorned into Street Fighter 5. Yes, it gives major roles to Rashid and F.A.N.G, but it just doesn't feel like it was created to be SFV's story.

It gives prominent roles to characters that not only were not in the games roster, it looks like many never will be part of the roster. At the same time, it barely uses some characters that actually were in the roster. Abel gets a prominent role as an undercover agent, and we get a fair amount of time spent on various Dolls. It looked like Rashid's butler was even being set up to become a major new addition. Meanwhile, characters like Laura and Alex are relegated to pretty much cameos. As for Necalli, he pretty clearly wasn't even considered a factor.

(There are other bits as well that make Shadow Falls look like it wasn't originally designed to be SFV's story, like how it would appear to be setting up matches that the player never actually played. The whole thing was just awkward.)
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