Is Cammy a cheap harlet/stinking halibut??

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Views? Comments and suggestions? All are appreciated for/against.

It's still an amazement how things change isn't it, I mean the character is iconic but so "iconic" she was, sf iii dropped her entirely, and street fighter EX completely reinvented the wheel as it where (or drill ;p) in the form of Pullum Purna.

So let's get to the very heart of the matter, Cammy. Thoughts? Lol

[nO_d3N1AL]

Cammy is a fine character. Nothing cheap about Cammy; although I may be biased as she is my main.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by nO_d3N1AL:

Cammy is a fine character. Nothing cheap about Cammy; although I may be biased as she is my main.

No problem with that at all its a subjective thread really, if you are proud of your main character and keep in non cultist it's all good stuff, are you enjoying the design for example?

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

Cammy is probably my least favorite character in the series. She was originally some child soldier who was evidently not even outfitted with pants. One of the most ridiculous designs in all of gaming.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Vita, Mortis, Careo:

Cammy is probably my least favorite character in the series. She was originally some child soldier who was evidently not even outfitted with pants. One of the most ridiculous designs in all of gaming.

I concur with that entirely, some crazy zealots in the world even make shrines to her in their basemen damn i meant bedroom, damn that auto text...

Each to their own I suppose but it's time she found a pair of trousers hahahaha

[nO_d3N1AL]

Originally posted by x Yojinbo用心棒 x:

Originally posted by nO_d3N1AL:

Cammy is a fine character. Nothing cheap about Cammy; although I may be biased as she is my main.

No problem with that at all its a subjective thread really, if you are proud of your main character and keep in non cultist it's all good stuff, are you enjoying the design for example?

I definitely prefer Cammy in SFV than SF4 because of the ability to do cannon strike from hooligan combination. Also I feel there's a good balance between simplicity and allowing for combos. The addition of target combos is also awesome and the V-skill is familiar but well-adapted to the game. But there's a few things I don't like. The critical art can miss quite easily depending on which version you use; often accidently the hard kick comes out when hit-confirming and misses against some characters. Also it would've been nice to have an overhead attack.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Here for the purposes of the thread and to give you an idea of what we are talking about, this is Cammy White the halibut. (a fish with big lips)

www.bighalibut.com/sites/default/files/trophy-fishing-charter.jpg

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by nO_d3N1AL:

Originally posted by x Yojinbo用心棒 x:

No problem with that at all its a subjective thread really, if you are proud of your main character and keep in non cultist it's all good stuff, are you enjoying the design for example?

I definitely prefer Cammy in SFV than SF4 because of the ability to do cannon strike from hooligan combination. Also I feel there's a good balance between simplicity and allowing for combos. The addition of target combos is also awesome and the V-skill is familiar but well-adapted to the game. But there's a few things I don't like. The critical art can miss quite easily depending on which version you use; often accidently the hard kick comes out when hit-confirming and misses against some characters. Also it would've been nice to have an overhead attack.

I do actually like the fact she's aged and become somewhat more of a sister and mother figure in the same way chun li did originally in sf iii: 3rd strike, that's an interesting development.

Well at least you are enjoying the character.

[Vita, Mortis, Careo]

Originally posted by x Yojinbo用心棒 x:

Originally posted by Vita, Mortis, Careo:

Cammy is probably my least favorite character in the series. She was originally some child soldier who was evidently not even outfitted with pants. One of the most ridiculous designs in all of gaming.

I concur with that entirely, some crazy zealots in the world even make shrines to her in their basemen damn i meant bedroom, damn that auto text...

Each to their own I suppose but it's time she found a pair of trousers hahahaha

Cammy, to me, represented the point where Street Fighter took at turn down a dark path. Chun Li was there from the second game on. She had her stockings and you could see her leotard when she did the spinning bird kick. But Cammy marked a change. Her outfit was blatently sexualized. Her win poses were blatently sexualized. Cammy was a fan service nod to a rather infamous fandom within Japanese pop culture that people acknowledge exists, but don't like to talk about. She was underage, scantily dressed, hyper sexual. And she was so popular that from her sprung a series of similar characters like Sakura, Karin, Ibuki and Elena. It wasn't just underage characters either. Rainbow Mika, with her equally silly outfit, was born. Even Chun Li's bust and backside have grown and become more prominent with each new entry in the series.

For me, that's what Cammy is. The point where Street Fighter took a turn, and not a favorable one.

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Vita, Mortis, Careo:

Originally posted by x Yojinbo用心棒 x:

I concur with that entirely, some crazy zealots in the world even make shrines to her in their basemen damn i meant bedroom, damn that auto text...

Each to their own I suppose but it's time she found a pair of trousers hahahaha

Cammy, to me, represented the point where Street Fighter took at turn down a dark path. Chun Li was there from the second game on. She had her stockings and you could see her leotard when she did the spinning bird kick. But Cammy marked a change. Her outfit was blatently sexualized. Her win poses were blatently sexualized. Cammy was a fan service nod to a rather infamous fandom within Japanese pop culture that people acknowledge exists, but don't like to talk about. She was underage, scantily dressed, hyper sexual. And she was so popular that from her sprung a series of similar characters like Sakura, Karin, Ibuki and Elena. It wasn't just underage characters either. Rainbow Mika, with her equally silly outfit, was born. Even Chun Li's bust and backside have grown and become more prominent with each new entry in the series.

For me, that's what Cammy is. The point where Street Fighter took a turn, and not a favorable one.

I think you are a well educated individual, I'm fluent in Japanese and studied Japanese culture for many years, the attitudes towards a blonde for example is highly sexulised, now this is a fact and to an alarming extent some very naturally beautiful Japanese women dye their hair blonde and it looks well not terrible but it's a sad reality isn't it?

I have Japanese friends who think in Japanese society that's a little unserious and quite desperate to do to yourself to make yourself more western.

Now in regards to chun, her design is sexy for a few reasons,

She's a strong woman.

Most men like a woman with amazing legs.

Her own culture is part of the package in that her qipao is customised for femininity but also to allow her freedom of movement for her kicking which is her trademark.

There is a circus attached to cammy purely for her state of dress, she's rarely been seen in any professional attire until sf v and even then the legs are on show.

Thanks for being an adult and a contributer sir, I initially made this in jest and purely for my own amusement but yes her appeal is somewhat questionable at best and it did start a template for other female characters to appear later in the same way Ryu did for the males but unlike chun li it was less shall we say realistic and/or dignified?

Interesting read thank you.

I'd like to add lastly as a British man, the depiction of Cammy is totally false to the one of the average British woman and shockingly her Japanese voice is more British and accurate than the u.s "dub/awful accent stereotyping" which I find discrimination for it's blatent awfulness and exaggeration. Utterly cringeworthy but that's neither here nor there.

Most characters in street fighter have a degree of exaggeration it's a video game of course and not real, but the fact people from the u.s think they can speak with a British accent or that our accents don't diversify between Cammy or Birdie, even Dudley which was only accurate in 3rd strike is a flat out insult and ridicule.

So yes on the other side of the coin there's aspects of this character I feel are completely and utterly sexualized and for no other purpose than that. Don't believe me? Go to any Cammy "cosplayer" and watch some "English speakers" drool like stupid fools and thinking this is part of our identity through her and it's absolutely not.

Bit of a rant on the last part I'm sorry but yes, the character is there 9/10 to fulfill the "bit of skirt" role for which they even "censored" it out of fear/fright/regulations.

I covered this aspect on Mika also in regards to censorship and representation of women and yes I was critical of Japan also.

https://youtu.be/G77Cebna7CQ

[MonkeyBizNiz]

Her pursed lips during the victory pose lead me to believe she is a hallibut :D

[Yojinbo用心棒]

Originally posted by Virtuoso1:

Her pursed lips during the victory pose lead me to believe she is a hallibut :D

LMAO!! Thanks for your contribution, I was worried steam forums lost all sense of respect and humour in regards to such topics, delighted to see it's not the case and it's wonderful to be on the same platform for gaming as such a intelligent and entertaining bunch of people :) regards mate!

[spidey2711]

Damn haven't read so much crap in a while. Glad this nutcase got banned.

[Vandit_Reverse]

With an overhead she could be toptier.

[Nichole24]

They changed Cammy's model after her reveal because there were a lot of complaints of them being too ugly by japanese players. They had said something about Cammy being ugly becaus she looks to European. So they made her eyes bigger and rounded the face a bit. The pursed lips were always there since her reveal, but it seemed less out of place.

Also kinda sad her story mode costume doesn't have pants when it looks like it should.

[entity]

Originally posted by Nichole24:

They changed Cammy's model after her reveal because there were a lot of complaints of them being too ugly by japanese players. They had said something about Cammy being ugly becaus she looks to European. So they made her eyes bigger and rounded the face a bit. The pursed lips were always there since her reveal, but it seemed less out of place.

Also kinda sad her story mode costume doesn't have pants when it looks like it should.

But she is a european since shes from GB.