How to beat Zangief with Ryu ??

[Gili]

I play Ryu and i can`t beat any Zangief with him,he is invincible.
Any tips ? Why Zangief are so hard to beat ? I can`t hit him lol

ps:finally maintence,i could clean my room,i now i can play some tomb raider for a while
thanks cap-com.

[Stationary Traveller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAWJgmDgTe8
Just dropping that here.

[Schizm]

HADOUKEN, HADOUKEN,HADOUKEN, SHORYUKEN!

No but seriously Gief hates zoning and projectiles somthing Ryu can do.

[ArchMorlock]

Zone with fireballs until he gets V-Trigger (then stop). S.HK anti-air is great against any jump-in attempts. Sweep if he does charged s.HP. Bait out V-Trigger if possible for a max punish and to make it safe to zone again. Also good to remember that your basic throw has a faster startup than his SPD.

[Schizm]

Originally posted by ArchMorlock:

Zone with fireballs until he gets V-Trigger (then stop). S.HK anti-air is great against any jump-in attempts. Sweep if he does charged s.HP. Bait out V-Trigger if possible for a max punish and to make it safe to zone again. Also good to remember that your basic throw has a faster startup than his SPD.

Dont get to greedy with throws as well his EX SPD is throw invincible so if hes smart you are going to start eating a ♥♥♥♥ ton of stun and damage every time you try adn throw.

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by Gili:

I play Ryu and i can`t beat any Zangief with him,he is invincible.
Any tips ? Why Zangief are so hard to beat ? I can`t hit him lol

Ryu is having trouble fighting against Zangief...

Well if isn't this the biggest case of irony to date

Spam Hadokens, Keep your distance, If you go in to attack, try not to stay in for too long

[Gili]

thanks

[Cipher Esteria]

Originally posted by ArchMorlock:

Also good to remember that your basic throw has a faster startup than his SPD.

Wrong SPD is 5f, normal throws are 5f, but normal throws have priority over Commandgrabs.
This was also the case in SFIV, but there was every SPD 2f and f***ed everything in the game up.

Once Gief has V-Trigger you can forget your fireballs from midscreen, you should learn to zone with your normals and play footsies against him. Actualy is fighting Zangief one of the most entertaining matches in V, but this might be because I don't play projektile chars.At least none of mine is in the game.

And don't forget EX SPD is still throw invincible and his CA has 1f startup.

[honka]

dont play ryu, scrub

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by walking nash:

dont play ryu, scrub

That's really the best option, play a challenging character

[JRS]

gief is hot tho , I'm wet

[Stationary Traveller]

Originally posted by Cipher | CWO:

Originally posted by ArchMorlock:

Also good to remember that your basic throw has a faster startup than his SPD.

Wrong SPD is 5f, normal throws are 5f, but normal throws have priority over Commandgrabs.

I'm pretty sure command grabs still have priority over normal grabs because the first ones are untechable. The reason why normal throws sometimes beat command ones is that many command throws in SF5 are actually 6f or more.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

I'm pretty sure command grabs still have priority over normal grabs because the first ones are untechable. The reason why normal throws sometimes beat command ones is that many command throws in SF5 are actually 6f or more.

Nope. Gief is my main. Lost track how many times my SPD would be beaten by a random standard throw. And don't even get me started on Siberian Express being thrown.

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by Psychosis:

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

I'm pretty sure command grabs still have priority over normal grabs because the first ones are untechable. The reason why normal throws sometimes beat command ones is that many command throws in SF5 are actually 6f or more.

Nope. Gief is my main. Lost track how many times my SPD would be beaten by a random standard throw. And don't even get me started on Siberian Express being thrown.

I remember when I tried to get good as Zangief, I immediately stopped when someone I was sparring with, command grabbed me out of Siberian Express

[Stationary Traveller]

Originally posted by Psychosis:

Originally posted by Moonmadness:

I'm pretty sure command grabs still have priority over normal grabs because the first ones are untechable. The reason why normal throws sometimes beat command ones is that many command throws in SF5 are actually 6f or more.

Nope. Gief is my main. Lost track how many times my SPD would be beaten by a random standard throw. And don't even get me started on Siberian Express being thrown.

Are you sure there was no delay? I mean, 1f late is enough to make normal throws go first (and Siberian Express has a huge startup, but I assume you were talking about when you're already running towards the opponent).

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by Killer Queen:

I remember when I tried to get good as Zangief, I immediately stopped when someone I was sparring with, command grabbed me out of Siberian Express

Isn't that just messed up? lol Siberian Express all ready telegraphs itself and has a slow start up (even EX variation). And if it whiffs, which it will when your opponent realizes they can jump over it even at the last second, you will be wide open for extreme punishment. A very punishable move if timed wrong or spammed. Yet Capcom seems to think you should be thrown out of it. I've been using it less and less against higher leageued opponents. When they see that widely telegraphed start up, they jump.

I love Zangief. I really do, but I might be switching to Guile. While Zangief's command throws are very powerful, the design of throws (in general) is pretty dang broken (in my opinion).