command grab characters ruin this game

[Zak]

if someone is spamming plus frames you can block, if someone try to throw you you can tech, if someone try to overhead you can stand. If someone try to command grab? Enjoy watching your hp getting pulverized and your stun bar jump up because there isnt a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing you could have done to prevent it. Jump? eat the meaty. Backdash? eat the meaty. You are under constant fear of the command grab yet all the option to counter it leave you vulnerable to crush counters and meaties. No ammount of gimmick characters is as oppresive as a grappler. Command grabs are unsafe? Who the ♥♥♥♥ care, just spam meaties from the start then command grab after you have conditioned your opponent to block then proceed to spam nothing but meaties again as you witness your helpess opponent jumping and backdashing in fear of eating a command grab chain.

Nothing more fun than to play a silly 50-50 in a game that can be over in 15 seconds and take 10 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minutes to the next one. Grapplers are the cancer of this game. Crush counters follow closey behind.

[MagicSeaDog]

Neutral jump full punish, comand grabs are weak in this game...

[Zak]

Originally posted by MagicSeaDog:

Neutral jump full punish, comand grabs are weak in this game...

And eat a meaty or a crush counter which they will do since they don't grab untill they conditioned you into blocking. 0/10, would not jump again. They can even command grab in the middle of a block string but you're telling me you often randomly jump in the middle of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ block string right THIS IS PURE 50-50 IN FAVOR OF THE GRAPPLERS SINCE HE ISNT THE ONE IN DANGER AS LONG AS HE DOESNT GRAB

[Cipher Esteria]

Ancient words of wisdom:

Git Gud.

[sbt]

quickrise/backroll with 2kick buttons when not in corner.

[MirkoDMC]

Originally posted by Trop:

if someone is spamming plus frames you can block, if someone try to throw you you can tech, if someone try to overhead you can stand. If someone try to command grab? Enjoy watching your hp getting pulverized and your stun bar jump up because there isnt a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing you could have done to prevent it. Jump? ...

I've said this since day one but this game is full of fanboys, don't waste your time with this game if you don't like it. Crapcom decided to add a command grab to almost every character so everyone is able to win a match or 2. This is the truth, they also nerfed the shoryukens so you have to guess for the entire match when the opponent pressures you. In SFV there are V-Reversals that SHOULD help you dealing with the pressure but they are useless because they lose to both normal throws and command grabs lol.

In the end, don't bother trying to change the game. The game is made for casuals and i don't think it will change with the Arcade Edition...

[Brandon]

I'd say play Guile or Dahlsim, but they might get nerfed into oblivion in S3.

[Cipher Esteria]

Originally posted by MirkoDMC:

Your logic is full of flaws and holes that don't add up.

If a Commandgrab is simply enough to give you a method to "steal" matches, then was this option in every game since SF2.

Furthermore doing SRK is always a 50/50 with a huge risk for low reward in anything that isn't SFIV.

Get your facts straight.

[Son Samurai]

Originally posted by MirkoDMC:

Crapcom decided to add a command grab to almost every character so everyone is able to win a match or 2. This is the truth

Every character expect Bison, Ryu, Ken, Karin, Cammy, F.A.N.G., Rashid, Dhalsim, Juri, Guile, Urien, Boxer, Chun Li, and on and on...

Yep... every character has a command grab.

How about not standing still in a match so you can get grabbed in the 1st place. Command grabs are made to beat turtles otherwise you could literally block all day.

Git gud.

[Brandon]

And the top performing characters both online and at CPT are by and large not grapplers.

https://capcomprotour.com/

https://i.redd.it/mbatku29mnsz.jpg

Laura is doing well, but she definitely doesn't outclass the other characters used in the top 10.

50/50s are annoying for sure, but lot's of things in fighters are annoying. The real question is, is it broken? With regard to 50/50s, the answer is a resounding NO.

[Son Samurai]

Originally posted by Punymeyer:

And the top performing characters both online and at CPT are by and large not grapplers.

https://capcomprotour.com/

https://i.redd.it/mbatku29mnsz.jpg

Laura is doing well, but she definitely doesn't outclass the other characters used in the top 10.

50/50s are annoying for sure, but lot's of things in fighters are annoying. The real question is, is it broken? With regard to 50/50s, the answer is a resounding NO.

Command grabs arent even 50/50s. You can:

1)Jump
2)Backdash
3)3 Frame jab if you can
4) Uppercut on wakeup if you have it

Thats 2 guaranteed options you can do instead of blocking. If someone is that scared of getting grabbed, then keep moving on the screen. Simple as that.

[Brandon]

Originally posted by Son Samurai:

Originally posted by Punymeyer:

And the top performing characters both online and at CPT are by and large not grapplers.

https://capcomprotour.com/

https://i.redd.it/mbatku29mnsz.jpg

Laura is doing well, but she definitely doesn't outclass the other characters used in the top 10.

50/50s are annoying for sure, but lot's of things in fighters are annoying. The real question is, is it broken? With regard to 50/50s, the answer is a resounding NO.

Command grabs arent even 50/50s. You can:

1)Jump
2)Backdash
3)3 Frame jab if you can
4) Uppercut on wakeup if you have it

Thats 2 guaranteed options you can do instead of blocking. If someone is that scared of getting grabbed, then keep moving on the screen. Simple as that.

It's a 50/50 most of the time though. They either meaty CC or CG, and you either jump/backdash or block. The meaty CC beats the jump/backdash, and the CG beats the block. Invincible reversals change that, but requires meter and is extremely risky. In the case of DPs, the reward is ridiculously low compared to the risk. In the case of supers, the opponent is basically going to cool off with the mixups for fear of being supered, which means you have to sit on full meter if you want to stop the 50/50s.

But like I said, 50/50s aren't busted. This isn't very different from people complaining about flow chart zoning in other SF games.

[MirkoDMC]

Originally posted by BruteJustice:

Originally posted by MirkoDMC:

Your logic is full of flaws and holes that don't add up.

If a Commandgrab is simply enough to give you a method to "steal" matches, then was this option in every game since SF2.

Furthermore doing SRK is always a 50/50 with a huge risk for low reward in anything that isn't SFIV.

Get your facts straight.

Yeah but in SF2 only 2 characters out of 16 had a command grab (Zangief and E. Honda) and SF2 was a game with real footsies so you could do well against command grabs. In SFV the neutral game is almost non existent and you don't have any good defensive options.

Yes, Shoryukens can be 50/50 but they are WAY less dangerous than a command grab. Command grabs allow insane mixups and setups and the opponent can't defend himself from them... Yes, you can avoid them with a neutral jump but you can always be hit by a meaty, anti air etc. so the game becomes entirely rock, paper, scissors. Conversely Shoryukens can be blocked and punished hard.

Originally posted by Son Samurai:

Every character expect Bison, Ryu, Ken, Karin, Cammy, F.A.N.G., Rashid, Dhalsim, Juri, Guile, Urien, Boxer, Chun Li, and on and on...

Yep... every character has a command grab.

Uhm... Guile, Urien and Balrog don't even need a command grab because they already are top tiers, Urien and Balrog have insane damage and mixups, Guile has a very good defence (Maybe the only one with a good defence?)

Karin, Cammy, Bison and Rashid don't need a command grab because their pressure is insane, just press buttons and you'll be fine.

Dhalsim and Chun-Li are fair, Dhalsim can be pretty annoying with his sniping but hey, he's fair!

Ryu, F.A.N.G. and Juri are almost useless. Juri can be annoying with her jabs but they're her only tool to do something.

Ken is average, he can do pretty well if you know how to use him but he's not top tier.

Originally posted by Son Samurai:

How about not standing still in a match so you can get grabbed in the 1st place. Command grabs are made to beat turtles otherwise you could literally block all day.

Git gud.

This is a very stupid sentence lol...
Do you know which is one of the most important "rules" of SF? DON'T JUMP!
I can't jump everytime a Laura comes close to me because i COULD BE GRABBED, this is SF man wtf... To beat a turtler you have normal throws.

The one who should get good is you LOL

[Son Samurai]

Originally posted by MirkoDMC:

The one who should get good is you LOL

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1134359869

Better than you'll ever be.

And you don't refute points by deflecting them. Either the characters I listed don't have command grabs or not. There's no "Ryu sucks so it doesn't matter". That's how children argue.

[MirkoDMC]

Originally posted by Son Samurai:

Originally posted by MirkoDMC:

The one who should get good is you LOL

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1134359869

Better than you'll ever be.

And you don't refute points by deflecting them. Either the characters I listed don't have command grabs or not. There's no "Ryu sucks so it doesn't matter". That's how children argue.

:OOOOOO Are you ULTRA PLATINUM? SERIOUSLY? YOU'RE SO PRO!!!
Nice try man LOL

[Son Samurai]

Originally posted by MirkoDMC:

Originally posted by Son Samurai:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1134359869

Better than you'll ever be.

And you don't refute points by deflecting them. Either the characters I listed don't have command grabs or not. There's no "Ryu sucks so it doesn't matter". That's how children argue.

:OOOOOO Are you ULTRA PLATINUM? SERIOUSLY? YOU'RE SO PRO!!!
Nice try man LOL

I wish you well in your "trolling"...

And thanks for calling me a pro. See you when you hit Platinum.