Is Ken actually carried online

[REZZELGUN]

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[ART_Gamer]

If you do not understand his moveset Yes! For a beginner I understand the frustration. He can be challenging to deal with. But once you understand his negative on block moves you can open him up for big punishment.

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

It's more of a meme because of how prevalent he is in low ranks and how so many low rank players don't play wired yet. In higher ranks, players mostly know how to deal with his nuttier stuff, even in lag.

[REZZELGUN]

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

If you do not understand his moveset Yes! For a beginner I understand the frustration. He can be challenging to deal with. But once you understand his negative on block moves you can open him up for big punishment.

I was mostly asking cuz i saw a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kens that gained Diamond rank on youtube.I might consider picking up other characters with an aggresive playstyle tho

Do you think someone like Rog or G is a beginner friendly character or nah

[Danny DeVito with a Gun]

Originally posted by Zacoc:

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

If you do not understand his moveset Yes! For a beginner I understand the frustration. He can be challenging to deal with. But once you understand his negative on block moves you can open him up for big punishment.

I was mostly asking cuz i saw a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kens that gained Diamond rank on youtube.I might consider picking up other characters with an aggresive playstyle tho

Do you think someone like Rog or G is a beginner friendly character or nah

Both characters have better tools to be aggressive than Ken. Rog has the overall smaller skill ceiling and easy to understand toolkit. G takes more time to learn because of understanding his Presidential levels and what he can/can't do in each level

[TinfoilDurag]

Ken is carried online because he's gonna mash DP and get through a frame skip dropped combo.

Rog/G is carried online because you can't walk forward and block their rush punch on reaction online.

But you know who's carried the most online? Blanka or Honda

[armabe]

Ken is definitely one of the newbstompers, but nothing is as "carried" as carnival costume Blana (be it SF5 or SF4). That ♥♥♥♥ is obnoxious.

But ultimately you just need to get used to and figure out the major gimmicks of all characters (and individual players) before you can move up.

It can be really hard and demoralizing though, watching yourself get beat by absolutely dumb stuff because you can't believe and accept that someone would do the exact same dumb thing for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. time in a row. And yet they have little reason to stop if they succeed even half the time.

[REZZELGUN]

Originally posted by armabe:

Ken is definitely one of the newbstompers, but nothing is as "carried" as carnival costume Blana (be it SF5 or SF4). That ♥♥♥♥ is obnoxious.

But ultimately you just need to get used to and figure out the major gimmicks of all characters (and individual players) before you can move up.

It can be really hard and demoralizing though, watching yourself get beat by absolutely dumb stuff because you can't believe and accept that someone would do the exact same dumb thing for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, etc. time in a row. And yet they have little reason to stop if they succeed even half the time.

No i'm the Ken player lol

[armabe]

Doesn't really change my point :)

[ART_Gamer]

Originally posted by Zacoc:

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

If you do not understand his moveset Yes! For a beginner I understand the frustration. He can be challenging to deal with. But once you understand his negative on block moves you can open him up for big punishment.

I was mostly asking cuz i saw a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kens that gained Diamond rank on youtube.I might consider picking up other characters with an aggresive playstyle tho

Do you think someone like Rog or G is a beginner friendly character or nah

If you want a beginner friendly character try Ryu or Cammy. Both have easier setups and combos. Cammy can apply much more pressure than Ryu and is more viable online.

[sbt]

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

Originally posted by Zacoc:

I was mostly asking cuz i saw a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kens that gained Diamond rank on youtube.I might consider picking up other characters with an aggresive playstyle tho

Do you think someone like Rog or G is a beginner friendly character or nah

If you want a beginner friendly character try Ryu or Cammy. Both have easier setups and combos. Cammy can apply much more pressure than Ryu and is more viable online.

Cammy is not that easy. She has one of the lowest winrates online like all other low hp/stun characters which are considered top tier. https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/stats/dia

[ART_Gamer]

Originally posted by sbt:

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

If you want a beginner friendly character try Ryu or Cammy. Both have easier setups and combos. Cammy can apply much more pressure than Ryu and is more viable online.

Cammy is not that easy. She has one of the lowest winrates online like all other low hp/stun characters which are considered top tier. https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/stats/dia

Agreed. I play cammy. But for lower ranks she is good. Her low health is the only downside of playing her. She has some of the fastest moves and great walk speed in the game. Hence I recommended her to start with.

[sbt]

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

Originally posted by sbt:

Cammy is not that easy. She has one of the lowest winrates online like all other low hp/stun characters which are considered top tier. https://game.capcom.com/cfn/sfv/stats/dia

Agreed. I play cammy. But for lower ranks she is good. Her low health is the only downside of playing her. She has some of the fastest moves and great walk speed in the game. Hence I recommended her to start with.

If she is so good and easy. why does she have such a bad winrate?

[ART_Gamer]

Originally posted by sbt:

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

Agreed. I play cammy. But for lower ranks she is good. Her low health is the only downside of playing her. She has some of the fastest moves and great walk speed in the game. Hence I recommended her to start with.

If she is so good and easy. why does she have such a bad winrate?

I think you are over analysing this! Cammy is a viable character. Yes she does have limitations. But for a beginner she has good panic moves to get out of tough situations. Very easy combos and such. Her tick throw is godly and walk speed is probably the fastest in the game. At high level what you say matters. For an absolute beginner I think Cammy would be a good starting point.

[sbt]

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

Originally posted by sbt:

If she is so good and easy. why does she have such a bad winrate?

I think you are over analysing this! Cammy is a viable character. Yes she does have limitations. But for a beginner she has good panic moves to get out of tough situations. Very easy combos and such. Her tick throw is godly and walk speed is probably the fastest in the game. At high level what you say matters. For an absolute beginner I think Cammy would be a good starting point.

This doesn't answer my question. Cammy doesn't have a bad winrate at high level, rather the opposite. She wouldn't be considered as a high tier character otherwise. So since she has a >50% winrate at higher level she has to have a <<50% winrate at lower levels. Sounds logical right? Look at the stats, every high tier character (seth, menat, akuma, chun li, rashid) with low hp/stun is on the bottom 10 at the winrates. Coincidence?
I don't see how cammy is good or beginner friendly in low leagues (rookie - low silver). All the stuff you talk about (tick throw, setups, even combos) is not used properly or not used at all there. These (beginner) leagues are more a exchange of random buttons and specials so a high health+damage character makes more sense. A character which simply isn't good at lower levels is simply a bad recommendation for a beginner.

[Ride the Lightning]

Originally posted by sbt:

Originally posted by ART_Gamer:

I think you are over analysing this! Cammy is a viable character. Yes she does have limitations. But for a beginner she has good panic moves to get out of tough situations. Very easy combos and such. Her tick throw is godly and walk speed is probably the fastest in the game. At high level what you say matters. For an absolute beginner I think Cammy would be a good starting point.

This doesn't answer my question. Cammy doesn't have a bad winrate at high level, rather the opposite. She wouldn't be considered as a high tier character otherwise. So since she has a >50% winrate at higher level she has to have a <<50% winrate at lower levels. Sounds logical right? Look at the stats, every high tier character (seth, menat, akuma, chun li, rashid) with low hp/stun is on the bottom 10 at the winrates. Coincidence?
I don't see how cammy is good or beginner friendly in low leagues (rookie - low silver). All the stuff you talk about (tick throw, setups, even combos) is not used properly or not used at all there. These (beginner) leagues are more a exchange of random buttons and specials so a high health+damage character makes more sense. A character which simply isn't good at lower levels is simply a bad recommendation for a beginner.

I get what your saying but IMO every character can be learned by beginners and put thru the ranks. Players struggle early on because they dont know HOW to play, not because the character is to HARD to play.