Impossible to nail combos on a controller?

[Animalman]

I manage to nail combos on controller but it is extremely hard. It really makes the game feel like it sucks. Is it actually possible to get consistency in your moves without a fightstick? because the rhythms are really hard in training and challenge let alone against some OCD nerd who knows it all and gets their kicks from literally ruining the game for new players.

Whats the deal here? The only thing keeping me playing is the damn skimpy outfits the women wear. The actual game is impossible without arcade mode, just got the game and i dont spend no cash because there isnt an obvious way to make money to buy the levels and the characters.

Makes me think i shoulda bought a game with less nudity but at least gives full content for full price.

What do you think?

[Animalman]

Btw i play guitar and violin - and the strain that i have to go through to perform these moves is literallty harder to co-ordinate than the above two instruments.

Is this broken or soemthing? Should a game be this physically uncomfortable to play? or am i simply using the wrong tool?

[Gleap]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Btw i play guitar and violin - and the strain that i have to go through to perform these moves is literallty harder to co-ordinate than the above two instruments.

Is this broken or soemthing? Should a game be this physically uncomfortable to play? or am i simply using the wrong tool?

Multiple of the worlds top players use pad. Fight stick provides no advantage beyond people like it. Games just hard, To be more accurate genres just hard.

[DJukor]

I play on Keybord.
Arows for mowment ASDF ZXCV for atacks.
Im near Ultra Gold playd on a Kybord all my life and aprently its not so diferent from a hitbox controller.
I can aso play on controler but i get why some combos would be hard as ♥♥♥♥ on it.
Do you play on analog or Dpad?
Dpad is better for preaty much evrione. Analog is only good for Zangief.

[sbt]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Btw i play guitar and violin - and the strain that i have to go through to perform these moves is literallty harder to co-ordinate than the above two instruments.

Is this broken or soemthing? Should a game be this physically uncomfortable to play? or am i simply using the wrong tool?

I dont have the experience but i do think it is way harder to learn an instrument like the violin than some combos in sfv. Theres still need to practice them + using them in a real fight is something different again and for me at least it was pretty hard in the beginning since sfv is also my first fg. I switched from pad to a fightingstick because my thumbs started to hurt after playing some time. There are pros playing with all kind of gamepads though. No controller will give you an advantage over another.

You might try a different gamepad, go with a fightstick or maybe a hitbox. Nobody here but yourself can tell you which controller be the most comfortable for you.

[Omaeka]

360 pad sucks, PS4 controler/hitbox/sticks are probably all equal for games like SF. Lenient games like Tekken are less noticeable though.

[Animalman]

Thank you for the advice and responses everybody :)

I play on Keybord.
Arows for mowment ASDF ZXCV for atacks.
Im near Ultra Gold playd on a Kybord all my life and aprently its not so diferent from a hitbox controller.
I can aso play on controler but i get why some combos would be hard as ♥♥♥♥ on it.
Do you play on analog or Dpad?
Dpad is better for preaty much evrione. Analog is only good for Zangief.

in my sucessful games i have used a hybrid of analog and d-pad, my controller is basically a usb ps4 controller, - and this is when i play with cammy. I used the d-pad exclusively for a while because obviously you get more accurate directional inputs, but for the combos its hard to be quick enough and i actually find - with cammy at least - using the analog to perform some of the volume 2 combos - paricularly crouch LP > crouch LK > Spiral Arrow i have only manged to perform it with the analog stick. And it took alot of tries to get it, and even now am not sure if i could replicate it but did hit it 3 or 4 times from a certain direction.

I did begin by playing keyboard but the controls menu did indicate that an analog would be useful as they are all quarter circle or half-circle arrows so i bought a controller. Interesting i had configured on keyboard wsad - movement - and then on the number pad 846297 for the attacks, but it kept pulling something up in windows so yeah i just bought the controller.

I dont have the experience but i do think it is way harder to learn an instrument like the violin than some combos in sfv. Theres still need to practice them + using them in a real fight is something different again and for me at least it was pretty hard in the beginning since sfv is also my first fg. I switched from pad to a fightingstick because my thumbs started to hurt after playing some time. There are pros playing with all kind of gamepads though. No controller will give you an advantage over another.

You might try a different gamepad, go with a fightstick or maybe a hitbox. Nobody here but yourself can tell you which controller be the most comfortable for you.

learning guitar and/or violin is certainly harder than nailing combos - but what i am saying is, the muscle strain on your hands - the way your hands need to move - is alot more stressful than anything i have ever played on an instrument. I feel on an instrument at least that the pain you go through - which you will go through if you want to play seriously - the pain easier to endure as the harmony is more rewarding, but mayb my issue is with the controller being very awkward and feels really unhealthy on my hands for some reason, perhaps even artheritis inducing. I wish arcade mode was the primary single player focus from the start - as i researched the game before buying but didnt realize it didnt have a classic mode where you just battle up until you reach the boss you know :) lol...

360 pad sucks, PS4 controler/hitbox/sticks are probably all equal for games like SF. Lenient games like Tekken are less noticeable though.

might try my hand at keyboard again :)

[lanepi]

I use a controller, a PS4 one. It's not that bad and i admit i drop combos at times and I'm not always accurate to execute the special moves. What I tend to find is for QCF, QCB, HCB etc is easier to perform using the analogue whereas other moves such as dragon punch from Ryu which is F,D,DF, is easier using the directional pad.

As a result i use a mix of both D-Pad and the analogue stick and on the PS4 pad it's quite easy to switch the two since it's so close.

I recommend just put in 10 mins a day (more if you're not bored) in training mode just to practice a few gimmicks and combos for your character. Even if you don't use ryu i recommend using him because it's easy to remember doing thinks like C.MK > Fireball, and another is J.HP > C.HP > Dragon punch.

Yes it's a bit difficult to do it consistently when you start but after sometime it becomes easy and natural. You'll still might fail at times but at least 7/10 or 8/10 you be able to do them.

Also forget about the win lose records. Forget about the rankings. I recommend just having a few
of the matches and yes it can be daunting to lose several matches before your first win. When I started I think i lost my first 10 matches or more before getting 1 win. Once you stop caring and start having fun then the learning becomes easier (at least for me).

Give the game a bit more time. Overtime you'll start nailing them. If worse comes to worse start learning combos that doesn't require special moves. A classic example I can give is Ryu, basic combo from him is J.HP > S.MP > S.HP > S.HK.

Things is difficult but don't think it is impossible, the moment you think that then you already made it difficult. Just think of it this way, there are plenty of others who can do it so why can't I? Reason for yourself is all i need is practice and perhaps I'm not as gifted as others but i will make it there over time.

[NittanyLion]

Just takes practce, you can get super good on pad/controller. Very low margin of error.

I did notice ONE thing is very hard to do, CRHP(or any crouching punch move) into dragon punch motion for characters with with supers like ryus super(CA)

Thats very hard, since CA always comes out for me when you have it instead of DP.
Thats the only thing I noticed being especially hard.

[Codester]

It's all just you. I don't even understand how you could not be good with a controller, complaining about playing a fighter on keyboard I can understand, but controller is bread and butter. Fight sticks are just for die hard fans, try hards, or...people that just like em? I haven't played in a long while, waiting for arcade edition to jump back on, but i got to plat effortlessly using a steam controller within 50 hours of playing the game. Just need practise with them I guess.

[Arrogant Knight]

i learned sf on snes, i now play it exclusively with a ds4. i have a madcatz te2 as well, but i just play way better with a controller.

it just takes time to practice. play ryu and punch waterfalls for a while.

[Murderlol]

Originally posted by Troispoint:

Smug is the best Balrog in the world and he uses the X360 pad, which is arguably the worst pad there is to play fighting games.

IMO Xbone controller is much worse.

[Wezilla]

Phenom use x360

[IITWLLII -ES-]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Btw i play guitar and violin - and the strain that i have to go through to perform these moves is literallty harder to co-ordinate than the above two instruments.

Is this broken or soemthing? Should a game be this physically uncomfortable to play? or am i simply using the wrong tool?

This is exactly the reason why I've switched from keyboard to a FightPad and later to a FightStick.

The fightstick feels more natural and your hands/fingers are more relaxed, even after playing for several hours.

It was ok for me to play on a gamepad / D-Pad on the SNES for example, but my thumb was always a wreck afterwards.

The new gamepads have analogue triggers with different "traveling distances", which put of the actual timing beween them.

The FightPad was a vast improvement because of the 6 front facing buttons, target combos are a childs play on them, but it is still very uncomfortable to use the superjump D-Pad motions and the left triggers at the same time and your thumb will hurt after an hour from the D-Pad (especially with very technical characters like Ibuki or C. Viper in SFIV).

In the end I've moved to a FightStick (MadCatz Arcade Edition) it took me 2 weeks to get used to it and slowly regain the muscle memory, but I've never looked back, this thing is over 9 years old now and still working fine, if your are uncomfortable with a square gate, you can exchange with an octagonal gate, it feels more natural for 360° motions.

[Animalman]

Thank you again for all of the posts guys - it is all very helpful

Just takes practce, you can get super good on pad/controller. Very low margin of error.

I did notice ONE thing is very hard to do, CRHP(or any crouching punch move) into dragon punch motion for characters with with supers like ryus super(CA)

Thats very hard, since CA always comes out for me when you have it instead of DP.
Thats the only thing I noticed being especially hard.

i was thinking if it would be possible to reallocate some directional buttons - particularly the down button ont he d-pad switched with like ps4 R2 or something but sadly is not possible.

This is exactly the reason why I've switched from keyboard to a FightPad and later to a FightStick.

The fightstick feels more natural and your hands/fingers are more relaxed, even after playing for several hours.

It was ok for me to play on a gamepad / D-Pad on the SNES for example, but my thumb was always a wreck afterwards.

The new gamepads have analogue triggers with different "traveling distances", which put of the actual timing beween them.

The FightPad was a vast improvement because of the 6 front facing buttons, target combos are a childs play on them, but it is still very uncomfortable to use the superjump D-Pad motions and the left triggers at the same time and your thumb will hurt after an hour from the D-Pad (especially with very technical characters like Ibuki or C. Viper in SFIV).

In the end I've moved to a FightStick (MadCatz Arcade Edition) it took me 2 weeks to get used to it and slowly regain the muscle memory, but I've never looked back, this thing is over 9 years old now and still working fine, if your are uncomfortable with a square gate, you can exchange with an octagonal gate, it feels more natural for 360° motions.

From my point of view the Fightstick looks more comofortable, hitting those buttons seems alot easier than pressing buttons confined on a pad, they are distinct there is more distinct muscle memory - the muscle memory on controller is very finite - we are talking about tiny muscle memories and reflexes requried to really ace that controller, probably the kinds of muscle memories required to paint the sixteenth chapel. I will take another look at fightsticks and decide, but i may give keyboard a second chance aswell.






In regards to like pro-standards i am never going to put the effort in to be a pro as cannot see a logical or lasting reward behind it - i am 27 - i dont really have the drive to do that - i just want to feel like i have equal footing with other players as at the moment its hard to believe that i do.
Anyway i havent played today, i will play again tomorrow and try some stuff out on keyboard and controller see if i can get something good going :) Will keep you in the loop.

[Murloc]

I play on an Xbox One controller and I'm Ultra Diamond. It's definitely possible to nail combos with a controller.

Keep playing with it and you'll get better. Fightsticks don't give any advantages.