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UnicumDeluxe 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 2:05
Pay to win ?
Consider to buy it, but read its pay to win.
True ?
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sbt 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 7:00 
引用自 9th.immortal
引用自 sbt

In another thread he claimed that SFV is just SF4 in turbo mode. They have already finished most characters with USF4 so SFV should be a lot cheaper. There were no changes to vega anyways and other bs.
Exactly what it is

With the motions changed

Now back to gaming on your mom's iPad mini

By your logic SF4 is just SF3 with a 3d engine. You just put some bs together in your brain, post it as it's a given and have no backup your claims. Not one argument or any facts, even if asked.
Best answer so far "I can imagine that it is like i imagine."
eabdul 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 7:04 
There is no advantage to paying extra money within the game. It's only to unlock neat things without in-game cash.
Providence 777 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 7:34 
引用自 9th.immortal
We're talking about the engine
Then you're even more wrong.

SFIV uses Capcom's in-house modded version of the MT Framework game engine.
Meanwhile SFV uses UnrealEngine 4.7.6

How can a person not get tired of being wrong 100% of the time they post?
How are you, not even accidentally right on SOMETHING?
WickedRequiem 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 7:37 
It's not pay to win, but I do think that the amounts of "core" material (aka characters) that gets sold as dlcs are a tad unreasonable... especially considering the removal / reduction of the means to get fm.

The starting roster was small (16), but it was justified with the understanding that future characters were going to be reasonably earnable with ingame money. With the recent changes in AE, Capcom seems to be waffling on that.
Rambo Hayabusa 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:12 
引用自 Providence 777
There is no FM in survival mode, or story mode extra.

They removed that with the update, it's only tied to your character levels now.

Lies. Lies and more lies.

You believed the fallacy that Capcom told everyone.

Extreme Hell mode on survival has 20,000 FM still, because it's so absurdly difficult. Capcom never to my knowledge said it wouldn't be on there, but the messages went out to most people in the leadup to January 16th, that survival would no longer have FM. It doesn't, for easy, normal and hard. But for Extreme hell mode, yes it does. You can only get colours and character xp from the aforementioned first 3 difficulties.

Not your fault. But it's in there still.

Back to the person point you were quoting; his point stands. The best ways to unlock FM to get those FREE characters, is gone.

So in essence, if you wanted to make the game open to everyone, and level the playing field, technically it's not. You do need to pay to win. That's true of any game. The currency is TIME investing in SKILL BUILDING.

His point stands too...Capcom Cup was won by someone exploiting a very powerful character nobody else in the worlds elite bracket at FGC events was using (Birdie). He did it so well he beat 3 of the worlds best players...barely, but he beat Xian, Daigo and Tokid. MenaRD did so because the matchups and character usage is KEY to winning.

He'll lose his advantage this year. More people will watch him and he'll have to peform irrespective. You can't beat what you don't know or practice against. Considering the wolds number 1 ranked player uses Birdie, 2 of those 3 should have been prepared as that bloke is Japanese...but, the OP's point stands. You do have to PAY to win.

But his loses out on whether this system is UNFAIR. It's not. LAN competitive play is extremely fair. For some the economic argument comes into play (but that is more about travel to events). There are pletny of players who save money on using pad over a fightstick...which PAYS (costs) more to buy?

Fight stick. Don't fret. Someone won Evo on pad. Once.

You really don't see things clearly do you? It's like you're blind to rational thinking. It's quite...alarming. Your point stood but for a different reason. The OP is correct. There is a pay to GAME system, but not a PAY to WIN system. In real competition, the game is very fair. It always has been.

The meta game doesn't need fixing. It's the structure around it that's a mess (netcode and ranked matchmaking). The in fight stuff is very sound and well designed. Always has been. It's why people see competition footage and WANT to play. If it were OP and one sided, people would notice and refuse to buy. But it isn't. It's quite a large game just like SFIV and a fair one at that once the biased factors get removed (they always do in person 1 on 1).
Keyrala 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:12 
Actually yes... If you know where your opponents lives you can go there pay them and they will let you win
Providence 777 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:24 
引用自 Rambo Hayabusa
引用自 Providence 777
There is no FM in survival mode, or story mode extra.

They removed that with the update, it's only tied to your character levels now.

Lies. Lies and more lies.

You believed the fallacy that Capcom told everyone.

Extreme Hell mode on survival has 20,000 FM still, because it's so absurdly difficult.
Wait, what the hell?

Is this true?

Can someone verify this?

引用自 Rambo Hayabusa
Back to the person point you were quoting; his point stands. The best ways to unlock FM to get those FREE characters, is gone.
I didn't disagree with that.

引用自 Rambo Hayabusa
So in essence, if you wanted to make the game open to everyone, and level the playing field, technically it's not. You do need to pay to win. That's true of any game. The currency is TIME investing in SKILL BUILDING.
Enough of that semantic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

When some asks "is it Pay 2 Win" literally NO ONE is asking "how much time is required to get good"

People come one, you can just will nilly redefine any term you want to suit your argument, this is completely asinine.
Son Samurai 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:24 
P2W implies the DLC characters are better than the base characters which is not true.

The million topics i see about Dictator, Laura, Birdie winning Capcom Cup, and etc say otherwise.

Go learn what P2W is before arguing.
Providence 777 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:34 
引用自 Son Samurai
P2W implies the DLC characters are better than the base characters which is not true.

The million topics i see about Dictator, Laura, Birdie winning Capcom Cup, and etc say otherwise.

Go learn what P2W is before arguing.
^This
Providence 777 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:45 
引用自 9th.immortal
P2W implies half the sht is locked, and you can enjoy half a game without paying.
No it doesn't

It means literally want it says, Pay to Win. You can't win unless you pay money.
This is not figurative or abstract, it's literal.

And this isn't the case for SFV, it's not P2W

You can just will nilly redefine any term you want to suit your argument, this is completely asinine.
最后由 Providence 777 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:45
Son Samurai 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 8:48 
引用自 9th.immortal
P2W implies half the sht is locked, and you can enjoy half a game without paying.

Whether its the better half or not is subjective.

The characters being locked means you can't even pick them up and play in battle lounge occasionally, maybe a few months later deciding if its for you or not.

They're asking you to pay for it, or start up a game full of shopping cart items as if this were a barbie game designed for 12 year old girls download free from the mobile play store.

We should have all gotten the game and core characters for free, and paid for individual characters as they were released if we wanted to

Then the shopping carts might make some sense

As a wise jedi said:

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

Dont change 9th
Providence 777 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 9:19 


引用自 9th.immortal
More specifically, p2w implies the only way to win, and unlock sht, is to pay

Because playing isn't enough

By design. Unless your time is worth exactly nothing
which categorically is not the case in SFV.

You still lose.
Providence 777 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 9:23 
引用自 node357
pros don't consider it pay to win because they aced the single player modes and win the majority of their online matches, raking in more "fight money" than any average gamer can hope to. the fight money and price tag are carefully balanced to make you just give up and buy the damn characters before you get sick of the grind and quit. if you're casual, or not pro, you are going to have a bad time getting on the level with everyone else, more so than any other currently popular fighting game right now. if you aren't a gamer god, expect to be forking over cash or spending hundreds of hours before you can even begin to play the game on your own terms. enjoy.
This is a really simple debate to solve.

All of you dumbasses that don't know word definitions, go ahead and buy all the DLC, all of it, and tell me how it made you beat every player that didn't.

Simple, easy.

Until you comeback with your results, GTFO.
最后由 Providence 777 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 22 日 上午 9:23
Bad_Conduct 2018 年 1 月 22 日 下午 2:53 
引用自 UnicumDeluxe
Consider to buy it, but read its pay to win.
True ?

I wouldn't say it's pay to win, but it's probably pay to practice if you don't unlock the DLC characters.
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