Poison

[ZamasuNeverLost]

Poison looks like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[khalasar]

are you implying that transgender women aren't womennnnnnnnnn?

[Vyllis]

Biologically, they aren't.
Then it is up to each government and people to consider them as they like.

[_Hamburglar_]

引用自 Providence 777：

引用自 Numb_Chux：

Poison is a fictional character, thus can be anything I want.

Thus Poison is a woman.

If you want her to be a him and have a johnson, so be it.

How hard was that?

Subjective interpretation vs objective fact.

Your right, that you're free to imagine her to be whatever you want, but objective reality doesn't care about what you imagine.

This specific argument is about objective fact, not subjective imagination.

If you say so, Chuck.

[Wezilla]

Fapping time yeah

[fols.sholders]

I found interesting post on eventhubs about Poison's identity. The author of this post told that this twit comes from creators of Final Fight - creators of Poison literally! I don't know if the stuff are legit - but if it is - Poison originally is 100% PURE WOMAN! Here is a link - https://i.imgtc.ws/nLAVJBM.png

[Providence 777]

引用自 fols.sholders：

I found interesting post on eventhubs about Poison's identity. The author of this post told that this twit comes from creators of Final Fight - creators of Poison literally! I don't know if the stuff are legit - but if it is - Poison originally is 100% PURE WOMAN! Here is a link - https://i.imgtc.ws/nLAVJBM.png

Wow, finally some evidence suggesting that she was originally a woman.

Just to prove that the screenshot is legit, I tracked down several of the tweets in question:
https://twitter.com/nin_arika/status/487204530308669440

That does seem to be the official twitter account for Nishitani Arika
The very same who did in fact, work on Final Fight, and Street Fighter II:
https://capcom.fandom.com/wiki/Akira_Nishitani

Using google translate, it's roughly the same as your screenshot suggests.

So the change to make her "new half", "transgender", or "hermaphrodite" took place during development, before the game released.

So if what he says is true, then this was preemptive "self-censorship", much like how Capcom changed Boxer's name from "Mike Bison" to "Balrog" before the game hit the West. Or how R.Mika's buttslap was removed from SFV before global release.

This approach is what they would have to do with games since they couldn't just patch things out whenever someone whines, so they have to anticipate who is going to have a problem with what, and change it during the initial development.

This new information changes the landscape of the debate quite a bit.

(also, here's an archive of the tweets, in case any of them get deleted)
https://web.archive.org/web/20190802170716/https://twitter.com/nin_arika/status/487204530308669440

[Gailim]

引用自 Providence 777：

引用自 fols.sholders：

I found interesting post on eventhubs about Poison's identity. The author of this post told that this twit comes from creators of Final Fight - creators of Poison literally! I don't know if the stuff are legit - but if it is - Poison originally is 100% PURE WOMAN! Here is a link - https://i.imgtc.ws/nLAVJBM.png

This new information changes the landscape of the debate quite a bit.

Does it?

This would have happened during early pre production. The matter would have been settled by the time they wrote the enemy bios and begun sprite work

Characters change a lot during development. Dhalsim originally had an elephant head, makoto was going to be related to ryu, Rufus was going to be a fit black guy. None of that made it past the concept art stage and they aren't part of the characters we eventually got.

There was never a released version of poison who wasn't trans.

[Providence 777]

引用自 Gailim：

Does it?

This would have happened during early pre production. The matter would have been settled by the time they wrote the enemy bios and begun sprite work

That part is not clear, since nothing in Final Fight itself makes a claim about her sex, everything that does are things that were released alongside of the game (the arcade machine artwork for example, and game manuals). All of which are done close to release after legal has another once over with the content.

引用自 Gailim：

Characters change a lot during development. Dhalsim originally had an elephant head, makoto was going to be related to ryu, Rufus was going to be a fit black guy. None of that made it past the concept art stage and they aren't part of the characters we eventually got.

That's not the same thing, those changes are part of the creative process in trying to flesh out a character.

Poison's change was done explicitly to avoid legal troubles AFTER they already finalized the concept of the character, retroactively changing what they made, out of fear of getting sued by feminists. (as stated by the dev)

I don't respect any changes that are made in favor of censorship, that have nothing to do with actual creative vision, and are the result of political pressures from groups trying to control speech and expression.

引用自 Gailim：

There was never a released version of poison who wasn't trans.

I'm not claiming otherwise.

[Gailim]

Well the "debate" has always been that poison was originally not trans in Japan and so the character shouldn't be considered one now.

This really doesn't change that.

Having insight into their thought process during the concept stage doesn't really factor into any kind of debate on what the character is now

[Providence 777]

引用自 Gailim：

Well the "debate" has always been that poison was originally not trans in Japan and so the character shouldn't be considered one now.

This really doesn't change that.

Having insight into their thought process during the concept stage doesn't really factor into any kind of debate on what the character is now

It actually does, because she's only trans now because of self-censorship, after they already designed the female character.

That changes everything a great deal, people were erroneously claiming that she was female in Japan, and trans only in the West (in response to anger from western feminists of the time).

But that's incorrect, she was trans in both Japan and the West, after the self imposed censorship in anticipation of anger from western feminists of the time. So when that proved to not be enough, they out right replaced her with a guy that looked nothing like her, because her being trans wasn't enough to avoid backlash from feminists.

This is not a creative process, it's a legal and political one, that changed the character away from the intentions of the creators.

[ZamasuNeverLost]

regardless if shes a man or a women. It seriously don't matter.. what matter is that she obviously looks like a tran.

[PantsuMask]

The character is female. Not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trans. That was only for ff3 release in america. Her character is female. She isn’t an agenda character for your movement. Lol. Deal with it.

[PantsuMask]

was it ff2 or ff1, I was like, a kid then. person. and no. Her cannon lore is 100% woman. In japan. us tran ♥♥♥♥ was changed just for Final fight, that is all. that character isn't and still isn't. and cammy and R.mika really do not even need Censored lol. her butt slap was such a retarded un-need Censor. and feminist are rejects. so, I honestly do not care.

[Providence 777]

引用自 PantsuMask：

was it ff2 or ff1, I was like, a kid then. person. and no.

FF1 is when she premiered.

引用自 PantsuMask：

Her cannon lore is 100% woman. In japan.
us tran ♥♥♥♥ was changed just for Final fight, that is all.

*facepalm*
She was originally female BEFORE they released the game:
Read the tweets from the original developer Arika Nishitani:
https://twitter.com/nin_arika/status/487204530308669440

Literally everything you need to know that happened on the games release is in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lj-9npanOI

The official cannon lore from Japan was, and currently still is, that she's trans and/or futa. since the debut of the first Final Fight, day 1, in Japan.

She was only a female BEFORE the launch of the game, it was last minute decision after they made the character, to rewrite her to be trans, out of fear of feminists from the West.

引用自 PantsuMask：

and cammy and R.mika really do not even need Censored lol. her butt slap was such a retarded un-need Censor.

EXACTLY MY POINT

You stood by, and let them censor it. You didn't do anything to prevent it.
I fought against every SJW that tried to support the censorship, you did nothing.
I wrote Capcom several times, asking them to uncensor the game, meanwhile you did NOTHING.

引用自 PantsuMask：

and feminist are rejects. so, I honestly do not care.

They have ubiquitous control over all entertainment media, and you don't care?

you're just a fence sitting centrist, who's enabling the WaifuHolocaust, by standing by, doing nothing as our entertainment is destroyed by feminists. They destroy and politicize everything into ruin, pushing their agenda into every franchise, and you don't care?

Go back to your seat then, and let the men get back to fighting this war for you.

[PantsuMask]

If you feel you need to fight something that is already dyin' out go ahead, My friend. But, I will never consider poison trans. and not just for the waifu's of 2D but also for real life women of the world. because... poison deserves better cannon lore than that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ backstory from the early 90s.