Is Guile the worst char in the cast?

[Lupo-Irpino]

Spamming sonic boom and flash kick, i think he's lost his charm and he has to be nerfed... Very bad chara.
What do u think?

[CrunchyBiscuit]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Son Samurai:

Because people bring this up every time, you want him to Sonic boom over a flash kick. You can jump punish a boom easily.

I still don't get it.

I can't really manage to punish a sonic boom by jumping on reaction. When I see him do a sonic boom and I try to jump in over his projectile, he can already block again most of the time.

I have to jump when I THINK he's going for a boom, but then he might actually be fishing for my jump and do a somersault instead.

So I completely get "Retreating Guile means no flash kick".

But I still don't get "Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom".

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Son Samurai:

Experience - I'm super plat. Kinda have some experience with how characters play and how to beat them.

Not doubting that - I know you're good. I just don't understand what you mean.

[ELPRADO]

Guile retreating means cr. HP / jab.

[Son Samurai]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από CrunchyBiscuit:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Son Samurai:

Because people bring this up every time, you want him to Sonic boom over a flash kick. You can jump punish a boom easily.

I still don't get it.

I can't really manage to punish a sonic boom by jumping on reaction. When I see him do a sonic boom and I try to jump in over his projectile, he can already block again most of the time.

I have to jump when I THINK he's going for a boom, but then he might actually be fishing for my jump and do a somersault instead.

So I completely get "Retreating Guile means no flash kick".

But I still don't get "Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom".

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Son Samurai:

Experience - I'm super plat. Kinda have some experience with how characters play and how to beat them.

Not doubting that - I know you're good. I just don't understand what you mean.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1096599429

This is the position and distance you want to be at when Guile is crouching. From this position, he CAN sonic boom but he's waiting for you to jump so he can flash kick.

The options that you have are to go for the throw, wait, or dash in and apply pressure. Jumping in means eating a flash kick and retreating means getting hit with booms.

What I do is wait for him to move backwards or throw a boom. If he moves backwards, I can apply pressure. If he throws a boom, I either jump in or wait to see if he throws another.

If Guile does throw a boom from a crouching position, block it and wait to see if he throws another or close the distance and apply pressure.

That's the best way I can explain it.

EDIT: You can't beat the sonic boom on reaction so you want to "read" your opponent and make them fall into a pattern so you can guess better on the jump in.

[CrunchyBiscuit]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Son Samurai:

That's the best way I can explain it.

Thanks, pretty helpful.

[Hawke]

A defensive zoning character needs to have a 400 damage meterless corner combo, throw loop and autocorrecting DPs with extremely long normals

It makes perfect sense really

[colindc98]

"he has to be nerfed... Very bad chara." LOL

[Funkfist]

Guiles simplicity and and fundamental effectiveness is what makes him such am amazing design.
I do think that his SFV iteration makes him a bit too offensive and that his v-trigger loops take away from his basic design.

Otherwise he's great.
And honestly, only grapplers get to truly complain about Guile.

[KaizokuNinja]

They could give some of his goodness to Nash...I wouldn't mind that.

[76561198732752179]

Gule is perfectly balanced. Learn the matchup.

[Nuka-Cola Zero]

Guile has always been the worst character on the roster. Design-wise that is. Ridiculous looks and boring fighting style. Dunno why Capcom keeps including him in the games. Even Blanka is better design than him and that's telling.

[Wezilla]

Guile is too quick recovery...BS 100%

[CrunchyBiscuit]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Nuka-Cola Zero:

Guile has always been the worst character on the roster. Design-wise that is. Ridiculous looks and boring fighting style. Dunno why Capcom keeps including him in the games. Even Blanka is better design than him and that's telling.

I think Guile looks very cool and has a solid fighting style. I like his no-nonsense stance.

Blanka is just some kind of fantasy animal, he's unmistakingly part of the franchise but I don't fancy him.

Opinions, opinions.

[mercureXI]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Son Samurai:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Washing Machine:

I just think his toolset is way too good. Capcom's own definition of what they want Guile to be is the "opposite of Nash", a very defensive character. They admitted while nerfing him last patch that his toolset led to him having an offense game that was stronger than intended. Yet they hardly nerfed it. It's still stupidly strong. He still has a backthrow loop. The corner pressure is still evil. Why does he have this comeback rushdown v-trigger in the first place?

Compare him to Ryu. Ryu's supposedly the "jack of all trades, master of none", and he feels very balanced and fair to me in that regard. Guile on the other hand is straight up "master of all trades", and feels insanely imbalanced by comparison.

Guile really isn't that good.

Most people try to rush Guile and they get blown up for their efforts. You have to make Guile do unsafe things.

Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom so wait on him to move or try to throw him if you're ballsy.

Retreating Guile means no flash kick so jump on him or rush him down.

If he starts pushing buttons, go for the crush counter.

At least Capcom let us be able to punish Bazooka knee now. Before the 2.5 patch the knee was basically unpunishable.

All Guile's fight the same. Just don't stand across the screen from him and he's beatable.

So much nonsense in this post ...

Crouching Guile can throw booms, retreating Guile can AA with normals, etc etc

[Grantorino]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wezilla:

Guile is too quick recovery...BS 100%

he zones like a mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥. He belongs in Injustice 2.

[Son Samurai]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mercureXI:

So much nonsense in this post ...

Crouching Guile can throw booms, retreating Guile can AA with normals, etc etc

It's like you didn't read any post below that post explaining why you want Guile to throw booms and how you jump WHILE they are retreating unless you can put in two inputs at once.

But go ahead and explain how you managed to be the only person to say something about that... I'll wait.